Or the fact that the night elves had been inhabiting that for centuries now? Orcs are alien invaders. Imagine if earth was invaded and plundered for its resources. Would you still say 'the aliens are right. We should not have attacked them back! WE HAD NO CLAIM TO THESE RESOURCES!"?
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You can still apply morals and right/wrong to a game and its lore/storyline. This game is all about that. I don't see what you are doing here if you are incapable of immersing yourself enough to join this discussion the way it was intended, why join at all?
A clash of two cultures. One can easily learn from the other, one has needs for a thing that the other possesses, and it's quite clear that both have quite strong military. Even tho, both sides REFUSE to even attempt any sort of diplomatic resolution. Because one side is obviously right, and the other side is obviously wrong. Why would you start talking in such a situation.
How is this done in a video game? Both sides have their rights and wrongs, both attempt to pursue their needs. Orcs obviously need lumber, and are right that from their perspective, Night Elves are wasting it. Night Elves have a strong connection to those trees and are strictly territorial. Both in some cases attempt to talk about the problem a few times in between the fights. Yep, an old video game tackled a problem in a way more mature way than a recent top grossing movie.
Anyway, I'm with the Orcs on this one. Night Elves point sounds like some activists rambling about things they do not understand anyway, and Orcs, well, they sure have rights to burn and conquer. And well, wood would be usefull as well.
They fight, they lose, they get locked up in camps.
Some escape and build a resistance while trying to build a life without demonic influence.
But then the president's son comes back from Canada, kills everyone in the northern States and resurrects them as zombies.
Luckily those 'aliens' have managed to escape and came to Europe.
No, I would not kill them for hacking down trees.
For the Horde! ...Ashenvale is ancestral forest for Night Elves. Orcs are new settlers and barrens are not really rich on wood so it's their best option.
So im siding with Elves, "This lands belonged to our people for centuries, You have no place in here." ....Also FOR THE HORDE!
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Thrall's peacenik routine was always a joke from day one onward. Orcs invading Ashenvale to plunder natural resources, Sylvanas plaguing whoever she wanted and using prisoners for horrible experiments, but we still get years worth of "OH WHY CAN'T THE ALLIANCE SEE THAT WE JUST WANT PEEEACE?"
Heck, Grom even tried explaining the situation to Cenarius but he refused to listen.
The world is full of evil and lies and pain and death, and you can't hide from it... You can only face it. The question is, when you do, how do you respond? Who do you become?
And Grom? Wasn't he more like, chopping down nelves left and right? I don't think Cenarius wouldn't listen to a guy with an axe stained of his people blood and such.
It's basically like asking if you want to see Ashenvale destroyed by the orcs, or preserved.
Could everyone stop with the retarded "break into your house" argument, the orcs had no reason to think anyone lived in those forests. This isnt like someone breaking into your house and taking your stuff, its more like a group of refuges finding and abandoned building and seeing if they can strip it for resources. The night elves attacked first without warning and made no attempt to communicate to the orcs.
Now would things be different if they did? Probably not, Grom was never a diplomat, maybe if thrall was there.
As for settling in a desert, thrall did so specifically as penance for the crimes of the orcs in the first and second war, and where else would they settle? the barrens or some other arid wasteland? all the good land on Kalimdor belongs the nightelves anway, would end up with the same conflict. The night elves do not even use most of the land.
The orcs certainly had a right to acquire the wood their people needed for homes.
Night elves have always had the stronger case in Ashenvale.
Somewhat balanced by the Frostwolves having a stronger case in Alterac.
What settlements? did you actually play the mission? or even go to Ashenvale during vanilla?
There were no signs of civilization beyond some ancient ruins, the remains of their Highbourne society from 10000 years ago. No signs, nothing. There was nothing to suggest to the orcs that the land belonged to anyone.
And YES Thrall said he wanted to build ogrimmar in durator as penance, IT IS NOT much of a penance for old crimes to start chupping down sacres tress and then killing the defenders of the tress. The night elves to not use all their land no, but Ashenvale belonged to the elves, the orcs had to right to acquire the wood without asking. All go back to IT is not a penance if you start to murder in order to get your way
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man id side with the orcs....
same shit goes here again, what is good and what is evil? In their eyes, maybe they are trying to feed their pixel families bla bla so they need the wood for say, cooking and shelter/heat cuz you know,it gets very cold in the desert...so by their standards this is considered good cuz by the lore orcs are dying out bla bla bla
in the nelf eyes they see it as evil by cutting down their forest....well, new trees will regrow you know if you plant them so they shouldn't get upset
again maybe the orcs can put that stuff to a better use, you know like build machinery and stuff...like the white settlers in 1600s , the Indians didn't use all that timber it was just growing there doing nothing but the settlers made a bunch of furniture, arms, tools ,housing etc from that wood.