View Poll Results: Who do you side with in the Ashenvale conflict?

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    250 69.25%
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    74 20.50%
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    37 10.25%
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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxi View Post
    The humans did the same. Night Elves attacked them for having lumber camps as well.
    I remember that. seems like the real issue here is that tyrande is as bad a rageaholic as grom. Drove the nightelves into war against two factions when all 3 had a common enemy. I think it wasn't until malfurion showed up that they relalized they were all on the same team. Subsequently in the final night elf mission where all 3 factions defend hyjal together you see orc and human chopping down trees, theres even a lumbermill in the hyjal raid instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaxi View Post
    I can see the quests now.

    "Hero! Go to Astranaar and peacefully purchase wood from the Night Elves."

    Details: Barter a worthwhile price. Shake on it.
    Sometimes I love to imagine the humans in Durotar, all convinced to gather their needed lumber with sweet-talking and contrived diplomacy, with the elves that lovely answer with a FUCK OFF. Suddenly the orcs wouldn't look so uncivilized anymore.
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    I don't care. In fact, if everything north of Orgrimmar was deleted, I wouldn't miss it at all.

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    it's Night Elf land, always has been always will be. Orcs have 0 claim to any of it and can screw off.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    Sometimes I love to imagine the humans in Durotar, all convinced to gather their needed lumber with sweet-talking and contrived diplomacy, with the elves that lovely answer with a FUCK OFF. Suddenly the orcs wouldn't look so uncivilized anymore.
    Elves aren't obligated to trade with the Orcs, and the survival of an enemy that doesn't give a shit about respecting their land, people and borders is hardly a selling point.
    If it's not an elf, leave it on the shelf.
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  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Nazmina View Post
    It wasn't a church it was a forest, like any other.
    No, wrong, fact wrong, the forest is the a sacred place for the night elves, and so by cutting tress down the horde started the attacks. Yeah sure the night elves gave the first arrow shot, but the Orcs started it by cutting the tress down. So the orcs did start the clash, they started to cutting down the trees.
    And if they had no reason to belive one way or the other if it belonged to any one does that make it better? is it okay to invade, rob, cut down sacred places if you dont think it have any meaning to it? And then when the defenders come, to see some random animals cutting down tress should they then peacefully go over and say" yeah will you please stop cutting down the sacred tress?" No, they should not, they protected what was sacred to them when random " monsters" started to cut them down
    (i am 20 and dyslexic so yes i suck at spelling)

  6. #86
    Orcs would just demolish the zone utterly, and then move onto a new zone to demolish it - like a virus or some form of a parasite.

    Elves want to nurture the land and, in reasonable amounts, harvest resources that can be renewed.

    I definitely side with the elves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    Elves aren't obligated to trade with the Orcs, and the survival of an enemy that doesn't give a shit about respecting their land, people and borders is hardly a selling point.
    They aren't obligated, but, funny thing, they did it before Shattering/Cata, after all trading is something of mutual benefit, not free help. The point is the night elves wouldn't trade lumber with anyone, be it humans, be it orcs, since that would imply cutting trees by their own, and the thought itself alone it's pretty surreal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zulkhan View Post
    They aren't obligated, but, funny thing, they did it before Shattering/Cata, after all trading is something of mutual benefit, not free help. The point is the night elves wouldn't trade lumber with anyone, be it humans, be it orcs, since that would imply cutting trees by their own, and the thought itself alone it's pretty surreal.
    Do you understand the concept of an embargo? The Horde was punished for their failures at the Wrathgate. The Night Elves don't need anything the Orcs have to sell to survive; they've managed their own resources fine for 10000 years. The trade was purely out of good faith, which ended with the betrayals in Icecrown, I know it's difficult for horde fans to understand there are consequences for their actions, on account of they never seem to think their faction has ever done anything wrong, ever. The trade was cutoff for a reason; specifically because there was no economic benefit for the Night Elves with it. Good faith requires the recipient to not be a bunch of thankless greedy assholes.
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  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by ragemv View Post
    No, wrong, fact wrong, the forest is the a sacred place for the night elves, and so by cutting tress down the horde started the attacks. Yeah sure the night elves gave the first arrow shot, but the Orcs started it by cutting the tress down. So the orcs did start the clash, they started to cutting down the trees.
    And if they had no reason to belive one way or the other if it belonged to any one does that make it better? is it okay to invade, rob, cut down sacred places if you dont think it have any meaning to it? And then when the defenders come, to see some random animals cutting down tress should they then peacefully go over and say" yeah will you please stop cutting down the sacred tress?" No, they should not, they protected what was sacred to them when random " monsters" started to cut them down
    Because again, the orcs didn't know the land belonged to the night elves, or that the night elves even existed. They did not know they were invading anything. They did not know the trees held any meaning to anyone as something other than a source of lumber. All other races besides night elves cut tree down for wood to build homes. Is it bad to cut down ANY tree regardless of where it is? That would make every race other than night elves "monsters". Since the orcs had no way to know the land was sacred how are they evil for gathering wood to make their homes?

    And later during the night elf mission humans and orc work together and cut down trees to build up their bases in preparation for a conflict with the demons. Tyrande and her elves kill both. Later during the last mission all 3 factions work toegther again Archimonde, the orc and human cut down trees for lumber and the night elves don't say anything about it.
    Last edited by Nazmina; 2013-10-13 at 12:47 AM.

  10. #90
    Quote Originally Posted by Yarathir View Post
    And maybe they shouldn't have chosen a barren desert as their home then?
    Agree, they should have killed all the alliance in eastern kingdoms and just stayed there
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    The Orcs for sure, no race in this game has the same amount of loathing I have for the grape skins. Stuck up tree huggers can go sing koombiya in thier giant stupid tree and let some people get the resources they need.

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    Play horde mostly, but don't like cutting down trees
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon Blade View Post
    Do you understand the concept of an embargo? The Horde was punished for their failures at the Wrathgate. The Night Elves don't need anything the Orcs have to sell to survive; they've managed their own resources fine for 10000 years. The trade was purely out of good faith, which ended with the betrayals in Icecrown, I know it's difficult for horde fans to understand there are consequences for their actions, on account of they never seem to think their faction has ever done anything wrong, ever. The trade was cutoff for a reason; specifically because there was no economic benefit for the Night Elves with it. Good faith requires the recipient to not be a bunch of thankless greedy assholes.
    Please milady, read again my post and find the part where I complained about this argument, because I clearly missed it. I just stated a fact, not ranting about the reasons for which night elves did what they did. I guess any excuse is good for shouting "HORDE BIAS" isn't it?
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    This isn't exactly the Israel/Palestine conflict. Go away green skins!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky High Shark View Post
    Stuck up tree huggers can go sing koombiya in thier giant stupid tree and let some people get the resources they need.

    /types furiously eyes glowing and mouth foaming
    Lol'd pretty hard at this.
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  16. #96
    Quote Originally Posted by Nazmina View Post
    Because again, the orcs didn't know the land belonged to the night elves, or that the night elves even existed. They did not know they were invading anything. They did not know the trees held any meaning to anyone as something other than a source of lumber. All other races besides night elves cut tree down for wood to build homes. Is it bad to cut down ANY tree regardless of where it is? That would make every race other than night elves "monsters". Since the orcs had no way to know the land was sacred how are they evil for gathering wood to make their homes?

    And later during the night elf mission humans and orc work together and cut down trees to build up their bases in preparation for a conflict with the demons. Tyrande and her elves kill both. Later during the last mission all 3 factions work toegther again Archimonde, the orc and human cut down trees for lumber and the night elves don't say anything about it.
    No, it is not bad to cut down any tree. But fact is, the orces started to cut them down, then the night elves then defended so the Orcs did first blow, no matter what if they meant it or not. But so ones agian, because they did not know, does it make it A-Okay to invade a place, steal it of it reaourses which then turned out to be sacred only because you did not know? And later after the battle for hyjal is not like they left, the stayed in vanila - wolk made a not agreesive pact with the orcs. Then in cata The orcs made a suprise invasion. The orcs all around started it, and broke the peace agian
    Later when the orcs knew they still stopped. Like you said they cut down tress, but it was the lesser of two evils at that point.
    (i am 20 and dyslexic so yes i suck at spelling)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragemv View Post
    No, wrong, fact wrong, the forest is the a sacred place for the night elves, and so by cutting tress down the horde started the attacks. Yeah sure the night elves gave the first arrow shot, but the Orcs started it by cutting the tress down. So the orcs did start the clash, they started to cutting down the trees.
    Ooh, woow!
    That "Alliance are the good guy"-behaviour gets really sad when people claim that chopping down wood is 'starting the attack'.

    It seems that nothing goes to far to justify a massacre.
    It's a "Jaina-thread" all over again.

  18. #98
    Night elves are totally in the right. They've had that land for thousands of years, then the orcs decide "my basic campfire overlords need more wood" so they chop down incredibly ancient and sacred trees for resources. Honestly I don't see how Tyrande let it get that far. It was one thing when there was a minor incursion, but completely destroying an outpost and lumbering entire sections of Ashenvale, as well as laying siege to multiple other settlements, she should at least be kicking ass, if not malfurion. I mean, destroying nature is kind of something Malfurion is pretty against. Either way, I want my beautiful lush forest back, not the burnt up deforested husk we now call ashenvale
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  19. #99
    The Night Elves are Europeans with their renewable green energy hogwash.

    Orcs are Brazilians. Any rainforest is their enemy and shall taste the axe!

  20. #100
    When I'm in Asenvale i'm there for one thing and one thing only. Killing Alliance.

    Aldo Rockrain will get his Alliance scalps.


    Ok so technically he is talking about stonetalon, but you first met him in Ashenvale.
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