Make a 4th shockadin ranged dps spec, I'd start playing my paladins again.
Make a 4th shockadin ranged dps spec, I'd start playing my paladins again.
I never got to experience Shockadin, I would like that ranged, divine artillery kind of spec to come back though.
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Can someone jog my memory?
When you crit on Seal/Judgement of Blood/the Martyr, did the backlash damage also double?
They should revamp the whole holy power system, either add more abilities that adds holy power / generates or just remove it all.
Both prot and ret has so much potential if done right.
You'll never see me coming...
But OUR whole point is to have solid, realiable personal tools to play as a whole, complete melee spec.
Ret doesnt even have an actual gap closer to begin with.
we have a fething complex of retarded mechanics which, while being chained, provide us with mobility.
and mobility does not transalte into reliable gap closers.
You don't even have a choice in T15, you are pretty much forced into LOATL, not because its cookie cutter talent, but because its the least rotten apple out of 3 on said tier.
I dont want to have 4 types of charge along with jumping and all that .
I want something realiable, not this Benny Hill fethwipe we have .
I want less active mitigation, because ret active mitigation sucks.
I want actual, working defensive cooldowns with no glaring and obvious drawbacks like now.
I want ret to have unique utilities which would separate it from holy and make ret desirable for teams and comps.
I want to have actual sustainded damage as ret. I want ret to be engaging, not this onetrick pony of "drop CD's - turtle up - wait 2 mins- drop CD's-turtle up" ad infinitum.
I want ret to be desirable.
Last edited by Storm the Sorrow; 2013-11-07 at 10:21 PM. Reason: mui engrish iz gud
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Sure as sure
I'd probably like to see a 4th spec for each class in the game, and if there was a 4th spec for Paladins then it would certainly be Shockadin. As it is right now it makes a lot of sense for Paladins to be Ret/Prot, cause the gear is interchangeable. Much like Resto and Boomkins can share gear. Holy Paladins don't have such benefits, unless there was a Shockadin spec.
The question is, would Blizzard go through the trouble to balance a 4th spec for each class? As it is they can't balance all the classes they have now in the game. Though I'd imagine some of the 4th specs would be tank and healer, so it shouldn't be too bad to balance.
4th spec ideas
Warlock - Tank with pet
Hunter - Tank with pet
Mage - White Mage healer
Rogue - Ranged dps spec
Warrior - new melee spec
DK - new melee spec
Monk - Ranged dps spec
Shaman - Tank spec
Paladin- new ranged dps spec
Priest - Holy dps spec
4th specs are sort of a "if Blizzard does it, they'll do it" thing which we'll find out tomorrow and Saturday. I feel that enough has been done to death on this topic and the arguments have been given, now they are just merely repeated ad nauseum.
That said I sort of feel this thread has strayed into irrelevance, with too many people who plainly don't play the existing class at a high level "giving opinions" as well as other pointless echos (such as changing the class color) that just aren't going to happen.
I'd love to see more serious ideas for what can be done to the class. Examples being reworking the healing/absorbs model, changing Ret's AoE model, and perhaps taking another look at Seals for all specs. The 15 talent tree could also use changes (the sprint/"gap closer" for melee tree).
Huh, I thought up until TBC, Ret was crap, then we got Seal of Blood and did damage killing ourselves.
So was Ret really just terrible up until Wrath?
Cause here's my knowledge:
Vanilla Pre-Naxx: Holy is the only True Spec, you enjoy such fine pastimes as removing diseases, poisons, and (maybe?) magic effects. Blessing your allies, and hitting things with Judgement of Light for turbo heals.
Protection Paladins: Lol
Ret Paladins: Lel
Vanilla Naxx Era: Holy is still neat, Prot is now viable, and you now have a use for Exorcism, grats. Ret has been buffed up to 'Lol' and congratu-frickin-lations if you not only find, but receive a Corrupted Ashbringer.
BC: Paladins reach rightful place as at least decent at everything.
Wrath: Holy begins its ascent to being in the top 2 healing specs permanently
Protection: 9696 True Skill Mode
Retribution: Exorcism, Divine Storm, and Set bonuses, you're the walking, breathing embodiment of the Light and the face of the expansion.
Cata: Holy still good.
Protection: What a shame. Until Dragon Soul.
Retribution: Overhauled, could have been worse, but could have been better. Got better at the end.
Mists: HOLY THO
Protection: 2 Out of 3 Specs are now Great
Ret: What a shame. Then they got better at the end.
Where have I strayed?
I want blizzard to add relevance to the iconic ability of the paladin for holy paladin, seal and judgments, as a holy the seal is just a passive buff and the judgement you only use it if you are using one talent.
Lets keep the three seal for now.
Seal of Truth: Attacks, holy shock and judgments have a % to add a stack of seal of truth, at 5 stack the seal will be fully charged for 30sec, the seal will heal the most injuried targets that attack the target, Judgments on the target will spread some aoe healing around the target.
Seal of Righteousness: While this seal is active, judgments can be used on your allies, healing them and improving your healing on that target for 5 seconds.
Seal of Insight: while this is active, the CD of your judgments is reduced by X%, successful judgments generate a charge of holy power and increase your spell haste X% for 5 seconds.
Numbers need some balance, the cd of the judgments need to be raised ofc, and the seals need to have some kind of CD.
While I don't like the idea of "stance swapping" for Holy or Prot with Seals, I do think something was lost when Judgment's effect was "de-coupled" from the Seal.
I wouldn't mind Judgment having a different effect per Seal at all back.
Since judgements appear to be one of the most representative skill of paladins (for me), I really would like, as a Holy, to see them back on our playstyle separate of SH (which I really don't like). No matter what it does, I really liked judging everything on my way, as we did in WotLK.
I like this idea, it could really bring something new.Seal of Righteousness: While this seal is active, judgments can be used on your allies, healing them and improving your healing on that target for 5 seconds.
Seal of protection to be similar like deff stance and blood presence. From what i`ve seen wars and DK`s are doing more dmg siting in their god mode stance/presence.
Right now if u want plate melee it`s War>DK and if u are desperate u can take Ret
Seems lackluster compared to FINAL VERDICT YEEEEEAH! Although, that has unsurprisingly already been nerfed from the weapon scaling of TV, and has no base damage. Seal talent might be worthwhile if the ilvl crunch makes Strength king stat again. Now if we can just get rid of Hammer of the Righteous...
OMG 13:37 - Then Jesus said to His disciples, "Cleave unto me, and I shall grant to thee the blessing of eternal salvation."
And His disciples said unto Him, "Can we get Kings instead?"
Non-target Hammer of the Righteous, that is all
Given the recent gear discussions about new secondary stats, I'd like to see us (and other classes) have the potential for different but roughly equally effective builds and playstyles based around secondary stats just like some tanks enjoy right now. For example, a crit-heavy BrM plays fairly differently than a mastery-heavy setup, but each one can shine in its own way. It's a similar case for prot warriors with avoidance vs mastery.
And of course I'd like to see some better hybridization options if that suits one's fancy or raid (such as when some fights feel like they need an extra half healer). Thankfully them getting rid of spirit on armor means that holy can work on actual throughput stats and get decent numbers.