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  1. #281
    is it wrong to say I'm finding Rumaya quite attractive /blush.

    I have you to thank for my latest involvement in warcraft Ruma, if it wasn't for trying to reach out to you in the high elf thread, I would have done what I do every few weeks/months, just glanced at the MMO forums, seen what's up and moved on.

    whiles normally it's true, that if you get no opposition you're doing something wrong, angst over warcraft is not really the sort of thing I would want to contend with someone over.

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    Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it... that does not make sense!

    Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks? That does not make sense!

    If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must let humans join the horde.

    The defense rests.

  3. #283
    Uh, guys? You lost? Stormwind is that way.

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    Stormwind? that's so yesterday, Lordaeron's back baby.. this way!

  5. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by Mace View Post
    Stormwind? that's so yesterday, Lordaeron's back baby.. this way!
    It's just so hip, people are dying to get in!

    Edit 1:

    On a slightly more serious note, you wouldn't have to un-undead-ify (re-liven?) many forsaken for this to work. Just enough to have a few ambasadors who can reach out to living survivors of Lorderon or independent groups, and have them form the bulk of the Human membership of the Horde.

    To be honest, I'm kinda surprised this never happened with ex-members of the Cult of the Damned after Arthas bit it.

    If you want some nice drama in the mix, have Sylvanas take off on some quest (maybe she things she found a way to get true physical immortality) and leave UC in the hands of someone else with a more open additude toward the living. Could actually be interesting if you had Sylvanas come back (at the end of the expansion) and throw a hissy fit.

    Edit 2:

    I kinda like the idea the more I think about it. Give the Living Lorderonians unique voice work and visual distinction (freaky face tattoos, peicings, scars, crazy hair and skin tones) and you could have them move into upper Lorderon. Where do new forsaken come from? When one of the Horde-Human dies, he gets raised up and just moves back into his old place and none of his neighbors worry about it since they plan on doing that themselves.

    Could add more variety too, if the forsaken started gaining more non-human/elf membership. Undead gnolls, trolls, gnomes, etc.
    Last edited by Darmalus; 2013-10-30 at 07:28 PM.

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    Humans in the Horde? I'd like that as much as I'd like orcs in the Alliance. That is to say not at all.

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    Come to think of it, everyone I know who is in the horde is a human.

  8. #288
    Quote Originally Posted by ravenmoon View Post
    I know it sounds really way out there, but before you write the first thing that comes to your mind, STOP a sec, actually think about it and imagine.

    this will help, don't think that these are alliance humans joining the horde. Think of this as humans being playable on the horde. I know this isn't easy to think of it like this, but try.

    Let me know how you feel about this, why you feel the way that you feel - before you attack the notion of the idea.

    It will hlep if you think of the forsaken being the source of the humans. In my version, some of the undead human forsaken somehow get cured, not all of them. It also helps to remember that they really do hate the alliance, so they're loyal to the horde, but also to bear in mind, hating the alliance doesn't mean they're evil, and it's quite possible to write good roles for them, a story of redemption, loyally forsaken, but different because of this transformation.

    How will you feel about playing this kind of human on the horde, how do you feel it will affect the game? This is not a proposal topic, it's an exploration one, imagine what if. There are reasons i will share later I do think this will benefit the video game, but I'd like to hear your thoughts.
    Maybe have another source of humans besides cured forsaken. I do think it would benefit the game as well though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailyara View Post
    Come to think of it, everyone I know who is in the horde is a human.

  10. #290
    Quote Originally Posted by Darmalus View Post
    On a slightly more serious note, you wouldn't have to un-undead-ify (re-liven?) many forsaken for this to work. Just enough to have a few ambasadors who can reach out to living survivors of Lorderon or independent groups, and have them form the bulk of the Human membership of the Horde.
    You know, there are survivors of Lordaeron still in Lordaeron right now.

    They remember what the undead did to them in the Third War.

    They really have no interest in your kind. In fact, they would \rather butcher you and your allies because of what your kind did to them.

    But I don't need to tell you this. You can find out yourself.

    They're still in the Monastery, after all.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Cradix View Post
    You know, there are survivors of Lordaeron still in Lordaeron right now.

    They remember what the undead did to them in the Third War.

    They really have no interest in your kind. In fact, they would \rather butcher you and your allies because of what your kind did to them.

    But I don't need to tell you this. You can find out yourself.

    They're still in the Monastery, after all.
    Assuming Voss left any survivors (this is WoW, no one is ever truely wiped out), I wouldn't want those demon-following buffoons anyway.

    I was thinking the Syndicate, ex-Cult of the Damned, or wherever Scholomance get's new students from. Someone dark and edgy to go with the general Forsaken theme.

  12. #292
    yeah, when making a group playable, they have to meet certain criteria or, made to meet certain criteria - creative development would write the proile up to make them an exciting group players want to play.

    It's not as important for a sub-race as it is for a major new race tho, because a sub-race is just giving a varaition. well most sub-races, however for living horde humans they need to have an attractive storyline, no one wants to play a traitor, or a brainwashed cultist - part of the attraction of using the forsaken to be the source of these new living humans was that they already had a profile player worthy so you didn't have to build one, just merely tell how some undead become living again.

    in that scenario, the surviving Lordaeron humans can have an interesting story development.. they can both show that the living forsaken are very much still very forsaken, another way of showing players that gaining life in their bodies again has not made them want to re-join the alliance which is what the alliance had hoped, but also it presents a turning point, it could be an opportunity they get faced with making a choice now. Join with the forsaken or be wiped out by them.

    they could actually be quite the tool to show the humanity and heroism that living forsaken have..showing players that whiles the living forsaken are still very much forsaken and loyal to the horde, there is something different about them that is admirable when they make an effort to bolster their numbers with the Lordaeron survivors. ofc you can write some groups accept some groups don't.. afterall, thanks to the bloodfang worgen, the forsaken have local enemies in their own area, they don't need to have their former citizens as an enemy.

    In the vampire angle, one of the main sources of new forsaken vampires could be the human survivors of Lordaeron, I know in my initial story , the San'layan Prince started with the elite and most beautiful humans in the Grizzly Hills settlements befoere he moved onto Tirisfal glades in a story that tells how he turns the living humans in Lordaeron into san'layan humans (vampire humans) and finds away for this effect to work on undead forsaken too, and he's plowing through the forsaken ranks converting before he is caught and ended by Sylvannas.

    In this storyline, the secret of how to make vampires out of undead forsaken is lost with him, but a curious effect is that the human san'layan whether their origin was living or undead, are at least able to make san'layan (vampires) out of living humans, but not out of undead or elves.

    there is a place for everything, if you have the imagination to use

  13. #293
    god, I'm looking forward to Blizzcon if only so these inane sub-race threads can be shot down and forgotten in short order.

    The High Elves one is bad enough, and the playable vampires one is equally terrible, but this takes the cake insofar as it contradicts a central aspect of Warcraft since Warcraft was first conceived, all for the purpose of solving an imaginary problem. The Horde does not need humans anymore than the Alliance needs Orcs. On most servers the Horde pop is quite healthy; on large number of pvp servers, including the one my mains were on, Horde outnumbered Alliance dramatically. There is no issue here, there is no balancing need such that Blizzard desperately needs to make the central Alliance race playable cross-faction.

  14. #294
    dude, relax, if reading threads on a video game forum drives you insane, tehn you must have a really short tether, and I would suggest you have more serious problems than fanboys talking up their fantasies.

    take a chill pill, gain some perspective or better a new hobby, this really shouldn't annoy you this much, certainly not to the point of rudeness.

    Look, whether sub-races are announced or not, think about it, these threads would stop or continue. IF they are announnced, what are these guys gonna do? write I told you sos? I won't be doing that. The announcement would certainly be a different format that would spawn tons of other race threads.

    Seeing as I started the sub-race thread conversation back during end of TBC early wrath days, and 3 expansions have come and they've only grown, it's obvious that they will continue to be threads about this whether it is announced or not, and whether I have anything to do with it or not. People want customisable options and skins, every place it's mentioned there is an almost 100% consensus and excitement, the debates are usually on the delivery method and which groups to use.

    Back to topic: the alliance does not need orcs, not from a gaming perspective, from a lore perspective, only the writers are qualified to answer. I know blizzard wants as little cross over as possible, I would have said no crossover, but Panderans showed that it has been a point of deebate for aw hile and finally a decision to change that, but they still like separate identities on the two factions. The humans I have been presenting to the horde have separate identities and visuals (models) to the alliance maintaining that, and the stories I picked re-enforce that for a reason. But it is not true that the horde doens't need humans. Your basing this on your perception of data on your realm. I'm looking at an ALL-REALMS all regions perpective, and using data from several sources some of which you very likely don't know about or have access to.

    I'll help you with this, because I've stated it before. It's not hard to notice that end game favours horde on a lot of realms, the competitive population which I'm think constitutes most forum posters goes horde, however the much larger casusal, non-end game, and new players choose the other faction. The reason why the competitive choose horde is because of the better racials. The reason the horde has better racials is so that they keep choosing horde because if they don't, the alliance numbers would grow out of whack again.

    Balance has everything to do with much of how wow has developed, and it is hurting the franchise, the stories are so biased and skewed, the inequality obvious, because they have to make the horde more attractive than the alliance so people keep picking them instead. Put living humans on the horde and it would solve that problem, people won't need one faction cooler/better racials/better stories/better plots/better quests to keep picking them, they would go horde for other reasons now that they can pick the only race the majority identify with.

    put living humans on the horde, the people will identify with the horde that has seemed alien despite it's very humane direction over the last 8 years of WoW. With equal numbers and people not being enticed to pick the horde over the alliance by making them altogether more attractive in as many ways as posible, you will find the experience will improve dramatically, with better stories, better challengies, equal racials... Scenario: Alliance has racials just as good? won't cause everyone to flock to alliance because they're prettier, they'd have pretty on the horde too in blood elves and human forsaken even if human forsaken are a sub-group and not a full new race.

    I envision great stories of friendships and bravery between humans, blood elves and orcs, a richer horde experience that is not inflated by blatant obvious bias. I see the un-nerfing of race like night elves, no need to keep them suppressed in fear they'd attract too many players back to the alliance. And no, I wouldn't give playable high elves to the alliance, at least untill I was certain it would help ensure good balance

  15. #295
    Quote Originally Posted by logintime View Post
    god, I'm looking forward to Blizzcon if only so these inane sub-race threads can be shot down and forgotten in short order.
    Then blizzcon hits, and they announce sub-races, what will you do then? don't shoot yourself! give me time to gloat

  16. #296
    Quote Originally Posted by logintime View Post
    god, I'm looking forward to Blizzcon if only so these inane sub-race threads can be shot down and forgotten in short order.
    And now it's getting even worse with the fanfic writers crossbreeding their threads. Just a few weeks and all of the current theorycrafing threads will be replaces with "Well the new expansion will suck" threads.

  17. #297
    Quote Originally Posted by Ailyara View Post
    Come to think of it, everyone I know who is in the horde is a human.


    As for the question:

  18. #298
    Quote Originally Posted by -Kasumi View Post
    I l roflmao
    Quote Originally Posted by -Kasumi View Post
    As for the question:
    you didn't really answer, the affirmative or negatice is not a response to how you feel. or why you feel it. Love the cat.. that was hilarious

  19. #299
    Quote Originally Posted by Steppinrazor View Post
    And now it's getting even worse with the fanfic writers crossbreeding their threads. Just a few weeks and all of the current theorycrafing threads will be replaces with "Well the new expansion will suck" threads.
    oh the naysayers, polluting ideas with mindless blank negative statements, nothing constructive to add, positive or negative.

    and if you didn't realize, yesterdays fanfic writers are todays creative development writers.

  20. #300
    Quote Originally Posted by xytech View Post
    Humans vs Orcs, that's the essence of Alliance vs Horde. Get humans on both and it'll just feel wrong, I'd say we should kill them again and resurrect them as undeads if they were ever to come back to "life".
    Agree.. pandas already feels wrong..

    horde should have ogres, alliance pandas..

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