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  1. #121
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    If you think thats difficult I should introduce you to H 25 Blackfuse. Then you can see the real definition of difficult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daear View Post
    If you're struggling with Garrosh, consider simply stacking up for everything. We had a group yesterday with some 5 mains and 15 friends/family members. P1 went really fast (2 waves) but all the phase 2 moving around that we do in normal mode proved too detrimental to our dps so we just stacked up and healed through everything with me calling out cooldowns. We 1-shot it after that.

    I'm convinced that this is going to be the LFR go-to tactic as well next week.
    Haha that sounds fun. I would love to be a healer there. (No sarcasm, I love healing challenges like that)

    Now a question. The scaling in flex has been a little weird for what I've experienced. One time I did spoils with 10 or 11 people and there was enough damage for 100k hps. I did it again but with 17 or so people and there was barely enough damage for 50k.
    Was the first group just standing in the bads, or is there another reason for this?
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    No. Maybe for a pug Flex group.
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    I found flex fun. Nice to get the achievement mount this early.

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    I just helped one of the worst flex raids ive ever seen 3 shot paragons. The flex raid is a joke if you actually understand mechanics and how to execute them.

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    The hardest part in flex Blackfuse is getting off the conveyer belt, on paragons it´s getting all the dps focussing on the same target. Both encounteres are REALLY undertuned. Garrosh is okay, i guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anaxie View Post
    If you think thats difficult I should introduce you to H 25 Blackfuse. Then you can see the real definition of difficult.
    Completely off topic?

    OT: As people learn these fights they will start to fall over faceroll style just like normals do for the normal raiders and how LFR does for LFR groups after a few weeks of practice. (Not meant to stir up LFR quality raid debates.)
    Flex has actually turned out to be tuned quite well in my opinion. With quality players who know the fights, even in mediocre gear, it is quite easy. If you have new people to the raid or have a few carries, it will take some progression. But that is what and who it is intended for.

    I think Flex has added much more to WoW than LFR ever did. Its a far better training wheel tool for normal mode raiders.
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  8. #128
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    Solotanked Garrosh as the OT got wrecked every time he tried to tank.. It doesnt feel really puggable as of now, too many "do it 100% right or it kills the raid" mechanics.

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    Garrosh seems too hard for people that content is meant for - at least that was my impression.

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    I got an Oqueue raid for flex4 last night with a min Ilvl of 530 we steam rolled thru the whole thing, we wiped once on Garrosh. We didn't use vent or voicechat and only 2 or 3 of us knew the fights from normal mode. If anything its a bit to easy.
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    Did it yesterday, was a complete joke. Only 3/10 of the flex group I did it with knew the fight, took us all of 5 attempts to kill it(the first wipe was entirely my fault for forgetting to assign a person to kill the siege engineer). For competent players it is absolutely not too difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlzone View Post
    Now a question. The scaling in flex has been a little weird for what I've experienced. One time I did spoils with 10 or 11 people and there was enough damage for 100k hps. I did it again but with 17 or so people and there was barely enough damage for 50k.
    Was the first group just standing in the bads, or is there another reason for this?
    #hijakthread
    It might have been that in the first week the sparks from the Urns were bugged and had something like 8 mil hp for our 15 man flex raid (which is about 5 times the amount they have on normal 10). Sparks do aoe damage so that may have been it?

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    Now a question. The scaling in flex has been a little weird for what I've experienced. One time I did spoils with 10 or 11 people and there was enough damage for 100k hps. I did it again but with 17 or so people and there was barely enough damage for 50k.
    Was the first group just standing in the bads, or is there another reason for this?
    It's the same in normal or even heroic, there isn't much damage going on in this fight.

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    The only thing that could cause the intense difficulty you're talking about would be bad tanking.

    I'd look at your tanks.

  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by IsaacHawke View Post
    It might be easier for you, who defeat those bosses on normal/heroic difficulty, but for buddies I invited. This boss is just too complex for them who never have a chance to entered any normal/heroic raids after they subscribed this game. We can defeat wing 2 and 3 in less than 3 wipes (because their mechanism is far simpler than Blackfuse's). We do not suck.
    Think again.

    Flex isn't meant for the instant gratification crowd. It's still piss easy though. If you give up after 3-5 wipes PVE in this game is not for you.

    Especially Blackfuse is a joke. As long as you have 2 DPS that can do the belt, you should have no issues with it at all.

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    Did it with mostly alts and socials from the guild (hardly anyone able to carry the group besides 2 main healers) and rest pugs the other day. At least half of the group had not seen the fights before. Yet we oneshot all 3. Didn't really explain anything.

    If people don't have shit gear, know what buttons to click and read up on the fights beforehand you shouldn't run into many issues.

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    Follow this template for Garrosh (stole it from my raid leader in flex) https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1...ty73wM2Zk/edit

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    If you want to group with a bunch of LFR people to run Flex they all have to understand that it takes actual focus, following directions and some type of voice communication. Otherwise, yes it will likely prove too difficult for people who are used to getting a buff every time they wipe.

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    I think Garrosh was tuned up a bit harder than I thought it would be, but it's definitely do-able fairly easily in a guild group. PUGs are another matter.

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    i don't know if its hard, went there last night with 14 people and 9 of those had never done any of the encounters before. killed blackfuse 2nd try paragons first try, and then spent and hour and 30 mins to kill Garrosh. i should underline though one of the tanks knew the fight and guided the rest of the group through it

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