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    XT-002 Deconstructors Voice, nuff said.
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    Because Titan panels, Forgemasters, Lore about the Universe > Some fucking bullshit <emotion X> Sha in every single god fucking damn dungeon.

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    I seem to recall people complaining about the start of it and how much complaining there was about the vehicle combat of Flame Leviathan. And then there were the complaints about accidental activation/non activation of hardmodes (which lead to the simple dungeon difficulty toggle). And then the complaints of an impossible boss. And then the complaints of an optional boss that you had one or two attempts before it was gone for the week.

    Other than that though, it was an awesome raid, like any other is, if you ignore what you do not like about it. It is great now when you can overgear and solo it....

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Dragoncurry View Post
    Because Titan panels, Forgemasters, Lore about the Universe > Some fucking bullshit <emotion X> Sha in every single god fucking damn dungeon.
    I liked Ulduar mainly because of the old god. I love old gods and since the Sha are connected to the old gods I find them interesting too. However I would have loved them if there weren't so damn many of them.

  5. #125
    I always remember hard raids as my favourite raids. Thats why i loved vanilla as well as ulduar because it was so damn hard that when you finally got something down it was the best feeling ever. Dont get me wrong, i hated everything that came with old raids (mat gathering, gold making, chops!!) and then ulduar came along being all rock hard but without having to farm for ages

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Muezick View Post
    Nostalgia, wrath babies...oh and, Cataclysm sucked ass by comparison.
    People who use the terms like 'wrath babies' are normally morons, basically the kind of people one would refer to as poison of a game's society or in the larger way, scum of earth.

    OT: It had storylines in each zone that lead you to Ulduar, amazing immersion, artwork. The best heroic mechanics ever and once it was tuned, the difficulty curve also aligned perfectly. It introduced difficulty levels, heroic only bosses. Even the sub-bosses had quests and storylines. It was in a league of it's own and nothing has (and going by how wow is not) and nothing will ever come close to ulduar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orcindauh View Post
    Tier 11 (BwD) Also 3 different raids to choose from, Tier 14 (3 different raids to choose from). T12 (first 4 or 5 bosses to choose from in any order you wish). And T13 and T16 to an extremely small extent.
    Let me repeat the question, slightly rephrased: How many bosses in each raid were skippable?
    The plural of anecdote is not "data".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orcindauh View Post
    So kinda like almost every other tier since wrath? Also 99% of players don't ever clear an instance the 2nd week it is out.
    No tier since wrath even comes close to ulduar. Ulduar set the bar too high, since then it's just been poorly constructed villains, missing storylines,lame mechanics and no sense of achievement.

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    Ulduar was the only raid tier in Wrath that didn't see an activity bump when it was released.
    "There is a pervasive myth that making content hard will induce players to rise to the occasion. We find the opposite. " -- Ghostcrawler

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    Ulduar was simply put a really well made raid in so many ways. Hard mode activation was a fun thing to have and the fact that on some bosses you could do the fight in three to five different ways (difficulties) which changed the difficulty a bit or made the fight a real challenge

    Personally it was also a time when our guild was a 25man guild that wasn't the best in the world so we progressed through Ulduar on a slower pace but still managed to get a new kill almost every week which felt rewarding enough. The only annoying thing was that ToC was released too soon for us as we just had started working on Yoggy. That resulted in ppl wanting to do ToC 'cause it rewarded better quality loot from much simpler fights than Yoggy so I think we had almost cleared ToC before fully clearing Ulduar. (If i recall correctly, ToC bosses became available one every week?) But none the less, got Yoggy down eventually

    What are the really good memories of Ulduar are our 10man late night friday hard mode beer runs! As 10man was on a different lockout, we had an offday awesomeness every week and progressed through 10hards and had the best laughs while doing it. But at least managed to get a Firefighter10 done after the whole raid been drunk for 2 days in a row but still progressing on most pulls And eventually achieved Herald of the Titans. Nostalgia? Maybe, but it was good times and haven't done a raid since with such an impact on me.

    Anyways, a huge and a really well made raid zone with lots to do (a shit ton of achies from one raid ) and then ToC ruined it all by appearing too soon and not being as awesome as Ulduar

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    A few people touched on this already, but basically it was huge and long, and Trial of the Crusader came out before most people had time to get sick of Ulduar. If Blizzard stays on track, it's likely that people will be repeating raid tiers a lot less. I think they want a patch every 2 months or something? Should be good.

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    The reason I loved and still love Ulduar so much is because of the creativity Blizzard showed in making the hardmodes. It was a more fun way than simply pressing a button (unless it was Mimiron's button. That one was awesome) and switching everything over to hardmodes. Not every hardmode followed the same mechanic design either. Sure XT did (more health, more damage, a few new stuff) but some fights were harder just because the mechanics got crazy!. Yogg 0 wasnt harder because Blizzard pumped up all the damage and health but because you now had to perform at a nearly flawless level in order to achieve victory. No more clearing MC stacks, no more adds dying. It was total chaos. Mimiron was awesome as well. Nothing really changed... except EVERYTHING with one simply mechanic: Fire that follows after the nearest player. That mechanic was more of a game changer than Heroic LK's shadow traps. The only fight since then that attempted this idea was the first boss of ToES but that... was extremely lackluster to me. I really didn't feel like I was activating "elite mode" (and you can argue that they did the same thing in Ulduar with the Iron Council but their mechanics changed quite a bit depending on the order. ToES #1 didn't really become different until the last guy) until really the last boss at which point the fight became boring anyway. Some bosses didn't even have a hardmode and since there was no dungeon journal it was more difficult to figure out exactly how to activate each mode and what the differences would be.

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  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by igame View Post
    No tier since wrath even comes close to ulduar. Ulduar set the bar too high, since then it's just been poorly constructed villains, missing storylines,lame mechanics and no sense of achievement.
    Disagree imo, only thing uld had that was memorial to me was yogg and maybe mim. Of Course I did the raid then and enjoyed it because it was new, as I do with every new raid. I can't honestly say which tier I enjoyed most, I like to judge individual bosses rather than entire instances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vulcanasm View Post
    Let me repeat the question, slightly rephrased: How many bosses in each raid were skippable?
    Completely silly question since every raid has a different number of bosses. Not sure I'm getting the purpose of your question.
    Last edited by Orcindauh; 2013-10-18 at 08:54 PM.

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    I think it was a good step up in difficulty from Naxx, so it was fondly remembered for that. I also liked how you switched to hard mode through mechanics in the raid, not a flip of a switch. It was long, but not too long. It wasn't my favorite and I know for a fact that my favorites are just that from nostalgia (70ZA, BT, SSC), so I can't really objectively review them.

    It wasn't a bad raid though if you compare it to the tournament (that no one liked at the time, or since) or ICC (which was around for a year, got old fast).

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    I also liked how you switched to hard mode through mechanics in the raid, not a flip of a switch.
    I think this cuts both ways, though. How irritating was it to be pushing Hodir's hard mode timer, than have to wipe it because you missed by a few seconds and don't want to mess around with a normal kill? I like the dynamic toggling of hard modes, but I think one developer summarized it as "If we continue, every hard mode toggle would be something along the same lines... don't kill mini-bosses, push a button, or DPS faster to turn it on." (paraphrased and vaguely recollected)

    I remember Eeyonix's quote well. Basically the mic drop post of Wrath.

  16. #136
    I will always remember 0-lights as the hardest beatable boss in the game.

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    For me, it was the last raid before the real segregation of the playerbase started. ToC started actual "heroic modes" where there was a clear delineation between versions. In Ulduar, even though you were doing the bosses is their easiest mode, people felt like they were doing the same raid as the ones doing the bosses in their hardest modes. So everyone was really doing the same raid. That has not happened since...

    Also, there was a real contrast from the tiers before and after it. Naxx 2.0 was arguably the easiest raid in WoW. ToC was arguably the worst raid in WoW. So that kind of puts Ulduar on a pedestal.

    And of course, it was the first real raid that many people got to try. In TBC, not many people got past Kara. In WotLK, the first tier did not have any real raids. Naxx 2.0 was easy, and a remake. OS was cool, but only 1 real boss. EoE....only 1 boss, and lots of vehicle stuff that was still new. So Ulduar was really the first real raid that many people got to see. It's like the Kara of WotLK.

  18. #138
    It was beautiful, the lore was nicely developed, it was free-form, the bosses were fun and challenging, the introduction of hard modes was awesome. What else do you need?

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    Lore,immersion,brilliantly made,visually awesome,huge in scale,interesting---God dammit,Ulduar is the best raid!THERES NO ARGUMENT ON THAT! :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muezick View Post
    Nostalgia, wrath babies...oh and, Cataclysm sucked ass by comparison.
    lulz no. Started in tbc and still think it was the best, so i guess there's your theory out the door (don't let the doorknob hit your opinion on the ass on the way out)


    OT:For me it was a combo of the art, the music (yah that's art too but it needs saying), lots of the fight concepts, the voice acting, it had a level of excitement that lets say...mmm DS just does not fucking have, or well, soz none of the tbc raids had, nor the other wrath raids had.
    Black temple is up there FOR ME, but cannot trump Ulduar.

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