The stats show just how few people have finished the legendary quest chain.
I hope that it is realised that you can unlink your characters (as I have done) by using an option in game. This means that there can be many characters not tied together via achievement.
The error has mostly gone away in patch 5.4, thankfully, but I've a hunch we'll be feeling the effects caused by 5.3 for a good while.
Can you use the Ahead of the Curve achievement to at least distinguish Flexi from NM? And of course the Heroic kill achievement should distinguish HM from NM. Might be an interesting split.
I've tanked LFR and I'd say it's actually the easiest of the three. I suspect the real issue is you can't afk as a tank. Also considering their near-zero queue times a lot of tanks are kind of prima donnas.
"We're looking at the data to try to understand what's going on."
Instead of looking at data maybe they could try playing the game. I play the game, so I know why I quit tanking.
Completion rates broken out by difficulty would be interesting.
Completion rates for raids previous to LFR as a comparison to what they are now would also interesting. I'm curious just how much higher it is now than in previous expansions.
tanks have more responsibility. dps and heals are easier to play with more room for error. also, you'll notice that older lfr raids don't have as bad of a tank problem. it's easier to do content as an undergeared dps or healer than a tank.
without making tanking easier, the only way you're gonna get more tanks into lfr is to provide incentive. the cta bonus bag isn't nearly enough since it's usually just a little gold and a useless item. if the cta bag had a significantly higher chance at rare items with a higher gold reward it would help. it also needs guaranteed spirits of harmony, not motes. toss in bonus valor and justice for good measure.
if that's not good enough then one way to erase the tanking problem is to add items to the cta bag that are no longer obtainable. items that were never obtainable in the game to begin with, too. if you put asian only pets in there, blizzard event rewards from the past, etc... the tank issue would disappear.
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But really, if anything, this graph should be a huge b-slap at those people who want LFR removed. What this graph does show is that the vast majority of people clearing a boss, are doing it on LFR. If they removed LFR, then the dev time that would be devoted to raiding would be slashed significantly to match the % as seen on this chart for SoO
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We will see what they have to do, but I think it is just the success of Flex. If you are a decent tank, there is no reason to be in LFR now. Flex does the same thing and you are grouped with people who are socially accountable, which makes all the difference. Tanking LFR is easy, but it is painfully slow. I did a Immerseus recently and it felt like it took a year to kill him. There was no chance of wiping, and nobody was dying.. but phases were just taking forever... I dropped group and said never again. My top raiding will be Flex mode, but I can tank all the bosses already, so getting an upgrade in LFR doesn´t feel that important to me, not enough to deal with how long it takes.
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The "real raiders" are the 50 000 ppl that are 14/14 normal according to wowprogress or possibly including flex the percentage that is shown on the graph (5%?). Wing 4 isn't even open on LFR, right?
http://www.mmo-champion.com/content/...hanics-DLC-411 - right! Flex wing 4 opened last week, LFR opens this.
So..not sure what you mean where all the raiders are? The first raids have been available for months and months, all content is not yet availabale to all difficulties.
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Then again, it is ignoring that only 2.5 million raiding people were sampled apparently and this is a completion rate. Millions of others DO NOT CARE about raids
Lastly: LFR cannot yet access wing 4 of SoO
Thus is the danger of statistics.
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And the devs are clever enough (certainly more than players) to know that even around THEM the universe does not revolve. What shitstorm would happen if they went "We play the game, we think it is fine". Ofc they play the game. Still...feedback and data from 100 000 players is better than from 10...or just from you.
I wonder why that is so hard to see?
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I understand LFR folks being frustrated at lack of tanks and healers, but to be honest Blizz aren't encouraging us. I don't need loot there, but did some for the satchel - then it didn't drop. So I raised a ticket and basically got told "yeah we know it's a bug, if that's the only reason you do LFR right now we suggest you don't, you're not getting the satchel awarded after the fact"
So, that being my *only* reason to ever do LFR, I did as the GM suggested and stopped doing it.
And yes, it is also frustrating that people like me demand PG, achievements, tactics and 550+ ilevel for Flex and so folks can't get in(and I kick people who can't show they know tactics) but honestly I am finding LFR level people trying to do Flex, who lie about knowing the tactics and wipe us repeatedly, especially using oQueue. At least with those things I stand a chance of them having looked at the tactics and having a clue. I get a ton of abuse for it, but all I am asking is 15 minutes spent reading a site and looking at a video.
If LFR actually starts offering a decent reward for people like me, we might come back and tank or heal it, but meanwhile the reason so many of us won't do LFR is down to *LFR players* not down to Blizz. It's just that Blizz aren't rewarding us for taking the pile of crap that comes with putting up with those players
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Ive played tank for 8 years now. Tanked every boss there is on every mode there ever was. Even in LFR when it was introduced. I honestly think that in its...
If you want to know why there is less tanks. Please tank a lfr and you will have your answers.
..subtleness, that is the reason why tanks are shying away from LFR. Its a cesspool of toxic, unskilled, rude, and impatient people. I dont think ghostcrab even knowns half of it.
I used to do some LFR. But for many months already im done with it. For good.
Very interesting analysis. It shows that the number of "real" raiders (hc, normal, flex) is really low while the majority seems to enjoy LFR. That is really funny, especially if you compare it to the the "LFR has to go" shouters in the official forums. Furthermore, the low amount of people who finished the legendary queet is quite surprising. Seeme like the vast majority of the subscribers is playjng on a really casual basis.