Avert Harm ?

[Deleted]

Hello there.

I'm usually windwalker, but sometimes I have to be on bitch duty and swap to Brewmaster (this time its for Garrosh HC, dont ask me why, you already know !). So tonight I had a pretty "funny" death due to Avert Harm basically oneshotting me while I had Zen Meditation up.



That was on first transition of Garrosh HC, I popped Avert Harm then went right away in Zen Med. One annihilate goes then BAM, I'm dead, 100% > 0% in a flash.

I mean, a raid CD that requires you to pop another reduction CD is already lame, but when it kills you EVEN WITH Zen Med, I think it really needs to be fixed or something.

[DarkHatred]

Avert Harm is just not meant to be used in its current form. Take it off your bar, you're not helping anyone by using it really.

[Radio]

You sure that Zen med didn't fade from you before the Avert Harm took effect? That doesn't look like 20% of their damage taken multipled by 0.1 to me.

[Rockets]

With a 20% transfer and a 90% DR, the seventh hit you took there for 134k implies that someone took a 6.7M hit, and presumably survived it. I'm curious what CD they used, because clearly it got applied after Avert Harm's transfer was calculated. Ditto the #8 hit. Too bad #6 and #9 are probably pets.

Actually, everyone else was lined up to take around 2.5M at the point where Avert Harm was calculated too. So presumably whatever other cooldowns were going on at the time are also calculated after Avert.

Alternatively, ZM might have broken early without you noticing.

[cyqu]

Avert Harm is just not meant to be used in its current form. Take it off your bar, you're not helping anyone by using it really.

go away silly

[Deleted]

Alright you guys got me confused about that one, so I had to double check the logs.

I can't link the logs to you because they're private, but I took some screenshots of the rest of the death log.





(I'm sorry if the images make the post too large)

So I had Avert Harm AND Zen Med up at that time. I know we use smoke bombs during this phase, and some healing cooldowns which don't matter in this case.
Annihilate is supposed to hit for 682500 to 717500 in 25 Player (Heroic) (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=144969). Let's say 700k.

Some people had the 50% damage reduction buff, and some didn't. With the buff, players get hit for 700k*0.5 = 350k. So Avert Harm damage from there is 350k*0.2 = 70k.
Without the buff, that makes it 140000 obviously.

With smokebomb, with the 50% buff, players get hit for 700k*(0.5*0.8) = 280k. Avert Harm damage = 280k*0.2 = 56k.
With smokebomb, without 50% buff, player get hit for 700k*0.8 = 560k. Avert Harm damage = 112k.

Thats sounds about right to me, seeing the numbers I got from the log. Like I said and as you can see on the death log, I was in Zen Med. So basically, either Avert Harm does not care AT ALL about Zen Med, or it's some sort of bug. I'll have to double check different pulls from tonight to see if that happened every pull, since I have to admit I did not try to Avert Harm without using Zen Med. (Also, I barely play Brewmaster at all, maybe some of you guys already figured this out earlier and I was just being a complete noob but whatever )

[Radio]

I'm fairly certain that Zen Med does affect Avert Harm inc damage...

Zen Med is falling from you at the exact same time that you're taking the avert harm damage, so all I can assume is that the loss of the Zen Med buff on you happened first contrary to the order presented.

[Deleted]

Zen med is falling at the same time as every other buff I had, because I died. On logs, you always take damage, get your buffs removed, then die some ms after that.

[Nephenthos]

indeed zen meditation and avert harm are working together. ive been using it on megaera hc last patch during rampage.

[RuneeBH]

I Avert Harmed during a war song on Nazgrim HC. Gamon was alive (idk why he was there). He has like 7m HP. I didn't know he was there. I died, bad. It is an unusual spell.

[Deleted]

Alright, since I did not record our attempts, I'm going to call it my bad (or a bug, but I don't have any proof I guess).

Thanks.

[Ampere]

I remember hearing complaints about Avert Harm killing Monks with Zen Med up during Molten Inferno on Heroic Twin Consorts 25M, so I'm sure it's a plausible scenario that it could kill you on Heroic Garrosh 25M. If 2% of raid damage within 10 yards = you hp you'd die (not counting incoming heals).

Avert Harm is usually safe to use in 10M, and probably the safest thing you can use it for in 25M is a mini-intervene on the other tank while you are off tanking.

edit: actually it would have to be a really high amount of raid damage to kill you, like 1.6M per person. Perhaps the moment (is Avert Harm on the GCD?) where you hit Avert Harm and don't have Zen Med up brings you really low, then you click Zen Med and die quickly

[Deleted]

Alright you guys got me confused about that one, so I had to double check the logs.

I can't link the logs to you because they're private, but I took some screenshots of the rest of the death log.

Removed images to keep quote in reasonable size

(I'm sorry if the images make the post too large)

So I had Avert Harm AND Zen Med up at that time. I know we use smoke bombs during this phase, and some healing cooldowns which don't matter in this case.
Annihilate is supposed to hit for 682500 to 717500 in 25 Player (Heroic) (http://www.wowhead.com/spell=144969). Let's say 700k.

Some people had the 50% damage reduction buff, and some didn't. With the buff, players get hit for 700k*0.5 = 350k. So Avert Harm damage from there is 350k*0.2 = 70k.
Without the buff, that makes it 140000 obviously.

With smokebomb, with the 50% buff, players get hit for 700k*(0.5*0.8) = 280k. Avert Harm damage = 280k*0.2 = 56k.
With smokebomb, without 50% buff, player get hit for 700k*0.8 = 560k. Avert Harm damage = 112k.

Thats sounds about right to me, seeing the numbers I got from the log. Like I said and as you can see on the death log, I was in Zen Med. So basically, either Avert Harm does not care AT ALL about Zen Med, or it's some sort of bug. I'll have to double check different pulls from tonight to see if that happened every pull, since I have to admit I did not try to Avert Harm without using Zen Med. (Also, I barely play Brewmaster at all, maybe some of you guys already figured this out earlier and I was just being a complete noob but whatever )

Another thing, apart from ZenMed, seems also a bit strange. Damage from AH is being staggered. You are taking the full damage. There should be absorbs of the staggered damage. Need to check in other logs how AH is being recorded/shown.

edit
Checked some logs from last week. Here is an excerpt:
[20:07:59.001] Yummyumm takes 0 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 20257)
[20:07:59.001] Yummyumm takes 0 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 12195)
[20:07:59.406] Yummyumm takes 0 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 9622)
[20:07:59.406] Yummyumm takes 0 damage from Rikks's Schaden abwenden (A: 20047)
[20:08:00.197] Yummyumm takes 0 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 24170)
[20:08:00.197] Yummyumm takes 0 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 12050)
[20:08:01.028] Yummyumm takes 0 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 24170)
[20:08:01.028] Yummyumm takes 0 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 12581)
[20:08:01.028] Yummyumm takes 3618 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 6004)
[20:08:01.028] Yummyumm takes 8129 damage from Rikks's Schaden abwenden (A: 11918)
[20:08:02.217] Yummyumm takes 11860 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 17388)
[20:08:02.217] Demonslave gains Schaden abwenden from Yummyumm
[20:08:03.015] Yummyumm takes 14532 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 21307)
[20:08:03.015] Yummyumm takes 7390 damage from Demonslave's Schaden abwenden (A: 10835)
[20:08:03.015] Yummyumm takes 3902 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 5720)
[20:08:03.015] Yummyumm takes 8129 damage from Rikks's Schaden abwenden (A: 11918)
[20:08:04.202] Yummyumm takes 14532 damage from Jeuz's Schaden abwenden (A: 21307)

For the first hits there must have been some other absorb like PW:S or a Guard, I am too lazy to check. But you can see that after the absorb faded, I constantly took only 40.55% of AHs damage, which fits perfectly with me being at about 60% stagger raidbuffed. BTW Schaden abwenden = AH in german, if you haven't noticed till now.