Russell Brand on revolution: “We no longer have the luxury of tradition”

[Pull My Finger]

So basically, he isn't offering up a solution..just criticizing the current situation. Great, that's just great.

Wow, that was smart.

Not.

Hope you remember your own mantra next time you start complaining over some petty little thing.

[mvaliz]

Guy worth ~$15 million talks about societal problems as if they include him?

lol

Chances are very high that he pays more taxes than you ever will. I think that alone entitles him to have an opinion, don't you?

[Tinykong]

Chances are very high that he pays more taxes than you ever will. I think that alone entitles him to have an opinion, don't you?

He's entitled to have whatever opinion he wants, regardless of what "taxes" he pays.

That doesn't mean it has any relevance or credibility. Someone worth $15 million doesn't deal with problems of common people.

[Mayhem]

He's entitled to have whatever opinion he wants, regardless of what "taxes" he pays.

That doesn't mean it has any relevance or credibility. Someone worth $15 million doesn't deal with problems of common people.

but he´s not talking about keeping that money, infact he´s talking about being heavily taxed and promotes it... so what´s your point? because he has money he can´t obviously have any idea about problems in the world? or that he therefore lacks empathy?

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i do think he´s right, politicians get pardoned for everything, don´t really have to play by the rules and after elections have passed aren´t even standing by the principles they promoted to get elected in the first place

show me an employee that could do something like that and not be fired

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He's entitled to have whatever opinion he wants, regardless of what "taxes" he pays.

That doesn't mean it has any relevance or credibility. Someone worth $15 million doesn't deal with problems of common people.

Massive drug addict back in the day if I recall who couchsurfed for years without a penny to his name other than what went straight into his next fix.

Yeah he never dealt with the problems of the common people, I mean he was born a millionaire right ?

[mvaliz]

He's entitled to have whatever opinion he wants, regardless of what "taxes" he pays.

That doesn't mean it has any relevance or credibility. Someone worth $15 million doesn't deal with problems of common people.

Because he obviously NEVER dealt with them before in his life?

Because he obviously doesn't have friends or family who are dealing with those problems?

Was he born making $15 million?

And, as somebody said above, he was DEFENDING people who are impoverished... are you aiming what you just said here at ALL the corporate owners in the world as well?

[Tinykong]

Massive drug addict back in the day if I recall who couchsurfed for years without a penny to his name other than what went straight into his next fix.

Yeah he never dealt with the problems of the common people, I mean he was born a millionaire right ?

I didn't realize substance abuse being fueled by a multimillion dollar entertainment career was something a lot of people did. Boy, I've missed out.

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Because he obviously NEVER dealt with them before in his life?

Because he obviously doesn't have friends or family who are dealing with those problems?

Was he born making $15 million?

And, as somebody said above, he was DEFENDING people who are impoverished... are you aiming what you just said here at ALL the corporate owners in the world as well?

Sure is easy to be an activist and concerned about society when you're super wealthy.

Where was his concern in 2000? It was being injected into his arm. lol

[Mayhem]

yeah, talk about the guy, not about what his message is, that´s brilliant

[Tinykong]

yeah, talk about the guy, not about what his message is, that´s brilliant

Hey, if you want to take what someone standing on a soap box says at face value, that's your business.

[Ishayu]

Brand is an idiot. He's saying that the way to create a rule of the people is to remove democracy (lit. translation "Rule of the people") and replace with a model similar to that of the soviet union.

That's actually outright stupid.

It's true that the American voting system isn't working, and that is the First Past The Post system. The democratic process should be improved, not removed.

[Mayhem]

Hey, if you want to take what someone standing on a soap box says at face value, that's your business.

right, because by talking about his message i take it for face value

[Tinykong]

right, because by talking about his message i take it for face value

No, by not acknowledging that someone who is ultra wealthy doesn't exist in the same society as people who live hand to mouth, you are.

[Mayhem]

Brand is an idiot. He's saying that the way to create a rule of the people is to remove democracy (lit. translation "Rule of the people") and replace with a model similar to that of the soviet union.

That's actually outright stupid.

It's true that the American voting system isn't working, and that is the First Past The Post system. The democratic process should be improved, not removed.

i don´t think that´s his entire message, more like that what we have now isn´t worth anything and doesn´t work the way it´s supposed (probably) to be

it´s not like that the problems he mentions are tackled, moreso that they aren´t and things get out of hand even more

look at the jp morgan settlement where they have to pay a "fine" of 13billion dollars, though thanks to the laws the "fine" is probably tax deductible

can it get anymore stupid?

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No, by not acknowledging that someone who is ultra wealthy doesn't exist in the same society as people who live hand to mouth, you are.

but that´s not the point, now is it? or does his place in society change any of the points he made?

[Tinykong]

but that´s not the point, now is it? or does his place in society change any of the points he made?

His place in society changes his perspective. His opinions on what things cost don't really have a lot of relevance. How many vegans do you know on food stamps?

[Noomz]

He is right though. Voting is pointless.

Maybe in your country. But not in mine. But what do I know? I'm just a socialist swed.

Though this guy has a point about how democracy and capitalism don't work at all in some cases. Given time, something else will spring up. But if I know people, such a change will take a very long time to happen. Because if there's something people don't like, it's change that brings them out of their comfort bubble.

[icausewipes]

I like his PoV more:

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He's basically advocating socialism or communism. Massive taxation of the rich and corporations? Rofl. Btw, he says that after he said that the Government should not ruin the economy. That would destroy the economy of the entire world.

This idea that everyone has an obligation to help people is absurd. I don't have to help you, you don't have to help me. The end.

P.S. If you want any of you ideas to be heard, you best vote. Unless you advocate armed revolution against an armed majority.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law_of_oligarchy

And the longer a rule lasts the bigger their power becomes and the more institutionalized and traditionalized their rule becomes.

Just look at everyone around you. Everyone is convinced that Capitalism and Democracy are THE best way of life.

If Capitalism and Democracy had been Emperor Kim-Yong Il, you'd all be sucking his d.

Capitalism is the best way to achieve freedom. Before you go and say, "NO SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM" I'll point out that socialism and communism usually lead to those in control of the Government becoming more powerful. It weakens the majority and strengthens the Government.

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but he´s not talking about keeping that money, infact he´s talking about being heavily taxed and promotes it... so what´s your point? because he has money he can´t obviously have any idea about problems in the world? or that he therefore lacks empathy?

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i do think he´s right, politicians get pardoned for everything, don´t really have to play by the rules and after elections have passed aren´t even standing by the principles they promoted to get elected in the first place

show me an employee that could do something like that and not be fired

This is the funniest thing about people like Russell Brand. They talk about taxing themselves and making the Government more powerful, yet they wouldn't give the money that they think should be taxed to charities.

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Yeah ... because that's totally unlike what we have right now. What's the difference between an elite few of families holding all the wealth and holding all the political influence for the rest of their lives or the 'government families' owning it? Nothing.

I'm not even arguing for socialism or communism. I'm certain there are much more than a handful of different type of economic systems or possibilities which try to alleviate the economic disparity between people.

But that's not how it is in America. Americans vote for who they want to win, end of story. If the half of the country that doesn't vote because, "it doesn't matter" voted, you'd see that their ideas would be represented. But they're all apathetic, and therefore idiots.

As for there being other solutions to capitalism? Not really. What we have right now is a pretty good balance between liberty and stability. I mean if you really want to have a lot of stability you should try to move back to everything before the American Revolution.

[Dezerte]

Capitalism is the best way to achieve freedom. Before you go and say, "NO SOCIALISM/COMMUNISM" I'll point out that socialism and communism usually lead to those in control of the Government becoming more powerful. It weakens the majority and strengthens the Government.

Socialism weakens the minority and empowers the majority, every first-world nation in the world has socialistic elements. Capitalism provides freedom for the minority. But if you mix these two together, you get the kind of government that you'll find in any first-world nation.

[Cybran]

Maybe in your country. But not in mine. But what do I know? I'm just a socialist swede.

You are free to delude yourself.