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    Wasn't Lady Azshara named as a co-boss in Cataclysm?

    I can't remember. Is it just me remembering things wrongly, or wasn't Azshara planned to be a villain alongside Deathwing in Cataclysm? Then later scrapped due to time.

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    A LOT of things were scrapped in cataclysm.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Glad I'm not the only one who remembers stuff that didn't happen in Cataclysm.
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    Pretty sure they said she'd have a presence, yeah.

    Presumably more than the cameo with the recycled Vashj model.

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    Well, we did...kinda...have her as dungeon boss...or well, her minions...and it was Caverns of time...but it was her, right? So, yeah...
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    You're mistaken, OP. At blizzcon there was a list, Major characters, and involved characters. Azshara was under the involved characters, although i think they definitely planned to give her more screen time than she actually got in cataclysm.

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    I don't understand why do they have to cut stuff? Why don't they just extend the life of the expansion? Does it really matter? Since we get content anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    I don't understand why do they have to cut stuff? Why don't they just extend the life of the expansion? Does it really matter? Since we get content anyway.
    Because at that point they already determined Cataclysm to be a failure and just wanted to get it over with.

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    I just have this memory of seeing it on a Blizzard page about Cataclysm. Not sure why though. But yes, I think a lot was scrapped from Cata wasn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    I don't understand why do they have to cut stuff? Why don't they just extend the life of the expansion? Does it really matter? Since we get content anyway.
    New expansion = more money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lei Shi View Post
    Because at that point they already determined Cataclysm to be a failure and just wanted to get it over with.
    Pre 4.0? 4.1?..
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    There was meant to be a whole water-realm raid which would have been awesome.

    Really, if you go back and do the Cataclysm stuff after experiencing MoP you can really feel how lackluster the expansion was. It did do a lot of great things, but so much was rehashed, small and lacked creativity. In terms of raids, Firelands was the only really decent one and even that was about half the size it should have been.
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    A lot was scrapped with Cata, indeed. War of the Ancients, which was probably where she was planned to be included, was thrown in as a 5 man dungeon instead of a raid. Abyssal Maw, another location she could have shown up, was completely put off and unreleased. The naga had some presence throughout Cataclysm, then just got dropped off as a zone/dungeon setup instead. It was rather disappointing in my opinion.

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    I would love to know just exactly went wrong behind the scenes that wrecked cataclysm's patch cycle, because something sure did.

    Guess we will never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumaya2000 View Post
    I would love to know just exactly went wrong behind the scenes that wrecked cataclysm's patch cycle, because something sure did.

    Guess we will never know.
    We'll never know for sure. We have a few blue posts saying 'some things just weren't epic enough' (in regards to abyssal maw), but I doubt that's the real reason.

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    I believe our "city" in Cataclysm was supposed to be underwater - no? I remember seeing "new underwater cities" or something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumaya2000 View Post
    I would love to know just exactly went wrong behind the scenes that wrecked cataclysm's patch cycle, because something sure did.

    Guess we will never know.
    I'd love to know also. Whatever it was, they reversed it for MoP which was brilliantly done from start to finish. With Cataclysm however, so much was cut and left out, or not done to the usual standard we have come to expect from Blizzard. I know the new 1-60 experience would have taken time, but there is only so far that excuse can go.
    "If you look out of the window as a human being, at nature, all of nature is unconditionally and absolutely beautiful wherever it is. Whether it's a jungle. Whether it's a desert. Whether it's the Arctic wastes. Or even your own back garden. The only ugly things you will ever see when you look out of the window are things made by man." - Stephen Fry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    I don't understand why do they have to cut stuff? Why don't they just extend the life of the expansion? Does it really matter? Since we get content anyway.
    Expansion box sales make Blizzard a LOT of money. It's easy for it to sound cynical, but that's how it goes. You'll also notice that Blizzard cut a whole Cataclysm raid tier that we knew about - War of the Ancients - because of their halfway-through decision to shorten expansion raid cycles by one patch. This is also reflected in MoP, which has only two patch raid tiers, not three.

    Cataclysm was a big ball of bad decision and late calls. Wouldn't have been so bad if they actually made the decision to cut content much, much earlier than they ended up doing. Instead, they dropped the ball, with both raid patches having lackluster raid content (by quantity, in particular) and 4.1 being a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faithshield View Post
    I'd love to know also. Whatever it was, they reversed it for MoP which was brilliantly done from start to finish. With Cataclysm however, so much was cut and left out, or not done to the usual standard we have come to expect from Blizzard. I know the new 1-60 experience would have taken time, but there is only so far that excuse can go.
    I don't know if I'd say MoP was brilliantly done. They definitely picked up some speed after the initial release (Where there were waaaaaaaaaaaaay too many dailies, and rep requirements for valor gear which forced you to do those dailies) and they finished strong, I'm loving patch 5.4 so far. But it could be better; Sometimes experiments don't go so well. (Battlefield Barrens was cool, but just didn't feel as compelling as it could have been. And the least they could have done was made all rares scale up on Timeless Isle...)

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    *insert witty and whimsical remark about dance studios also being cut from an expansion here*

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