In Vanilla wow was a great game and it drew millions of people to it. There was no real competition and that is one reason it did so well. It was easy to pick up and play even if it wasn't so easy to be great at it and required a lot of grind. In BC the grind was less, it was easier to level up multiple characters (by the end of BC I think I had at least 5 70s) and while still harder than Wrath it was a lot easier than Vanilla and offered a lot more. That attracted a lot of players. Then came wrath which is often (and I believe correctly) claimed to be the most casual friendly xpac. It was during the end of Wrath - when it was at its easiest - that WoW saw its biggest numbers.So what attracted all those players if the complaint among the general populace of players (to which you say are the casual players) was that the game is too hard? How come WoW peaked at 12 million subscribers? It cant be because they switched gears to a more raid friendly environment during WoTLK, because all those players were already there.
You are right - I do not KNOW with certainty. However it is unreasonable to assume that people will not get bored playing the same game for several years. True, I haven't (well more so than originally - but I still play so not that much) but I also know many people who have stopped simply because they had other things going on and they had "been there, seen that" with wow. I have many many computer games from over the years - but most just gather dust in a cupboard. Why? Simply: I got bored of them. I do not KNOW with certainty that the majority left wow because they simply moved on - but it sounds a lot more reasonable to me than "They did something wrong - change it and they will flock back". I believe it would be a very bad choice for Blizzard to turn round and say... "You know what? We dont know for sure why these people left.... lets take a gamble on all the people that log in every day and change it to how it was before most of our current subs even played. Just in case we get people back". To answer your last question - I never meant to say anything with "authority" I was stating my reasonings for "believing" why people leave. I still believe that, and I do not need any authority to believe how I wish (just as you don't).How do you know millions of players WOULDN'T resubscribe? What if, just what if millions of players got fed up with the direction they have and are taking this game? (I know at least one person for sure) What if, just what if players who played in TBC saw how casual friendly they were making the game, and the fact that because they were making the game so easy to allow more players access to something they didn't really have an interest for, it diminished their accomplishments in the game? And furthermore, how do you know why a person decides to unsubscribe or not? Where is your authority on the matter???
I think this is YOUR knee-jerk reaction actually. I for one certainly do not think "Oh its a Jaylock thread". Personally I have no clue who you are, and do not really care either (I don't mean this in a bad way - I have no thoughts - good or bad about you as I do not know you). You going by the name Jaylock has no bearing on anything to me - so it is no "knee-jerk" to your thread.The problem with this quote right here is your implied knee jerk reaction. Just like many of the other posters in this thread, you see a few things that tip you off to completely rejecting the ideas presented:
1) "Oh its a Jaylock thread, move along, nothing to see here" This dismissal attitude severely limits discussion. People think its not a serious topic and therefore will only post to flame me and try to get me infracted for trolling or whatever else they think the post is.
2) The knee jerk reaction of seeing something that they dont like, they automatically dismiss it even if they didn't know how it would affect the way the game plays out. If flying mounts were removed, how do you know that blizzard wouldn't compensate for that change in some way? How do you know or not that the gameplay would be much better in the new areas of an expansion without flying capability?
I also am not just seeing a suggestion I dont like and "automatically dismiss" it. I read your suggestion and reasoned why I didn't think it would work. Your rebuttal to my objections to your idea are met with questions like "how do you know blizzard wouldnt..." etc. I don't but I also have no reason to believe they would. You cannot successfully argue a point based on "what if something else I haven't suggested and have no basis for believing happened?"
I can't disagree with this and personally I am a little concerned with Blizzard saying they plan to use the timeless isle method more and more. I don't hate it, but it has got VERY stale already.I'm glad you still find enjoyment out of the game. I don't anymore because of some of the ridiculous changes and "improvements" they have made to the game.
I will say one thing though. I went to my brother's house, and he still plays WoW religiously. I decided to get on one of his many 90 characters, and I decided to try out the timeless isle to see what this whole new "questing" hub was about. I maybe played it for a couple hours before it got stale. Is this really what this game has come to? A couple hours of entertainment with a full content patch? Rehashed raid environments, boss models etc.
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All LFR did was introduce an easier form of raiding for a group of people that would not have raided. It is easier so lesser skilled people can enjoy raiding in an easier form. It allowed people with restricted play time to raid without needing to commit to a raid schedule. It has done nothing, nothing in my knowledge that affected normal/heroic raiding. If anything, it improved it because Blizzard should no longer need to nerf the normal/heroic raiding.
You guys are just unhappy that more people can raid so you are no longer that special snowflakes anymore. At least have the guts to admit to that than just go on and on complaining about a feature that has done nothing that affect raiding except your superior complex.
So yeah, basically they're less special and they don't like it.
you cant give players things in a game like this and then take it away ;p blizz have made every fukker in wow a lazy ass cunt,, if they take away the easy mode lazy ass options they've given us I think loads would cry and unsub.... probly.. ;p
only thing I don't like about flying is flying in vanilla lands and major cities..
LFR can rot and fukking die too. ;p
There were no wipes. So he eventually ragequit when the group refused to kick the tank
I was on my hunter, no legendary cloak or meta, less geared overall and still doing more DPS than him.
Everybody expressed relief after he was gone.
The fact is people would rather carry someone than raid with somebody who has a bug up their ass.
You're lucky - this is usually the guy that pulls the next boss, pops Hero, *then* drops group. Or maybe thats what happened...
I know for a fact that every person I play with, including myself would unsub in a heart beat if they took away flying and LFR.
The old "flying ruined the game" BS was old 3 months into BC, and its still sounds just as stupid. I pity the poor human that created this thread. WoW is dying because of its age. If you dont know that, youre a moron.
We are all different people playing a game that tries to cater for all yet some people want to make the game that just fit their peferences and not accept others.
It's called progress.
Deal with it.
Because if they start removing features, FEATURES. I'll be cancelling my subscription for sure.
Now listen carefully, LFR adds a easier mode to raids, you can still do raids like you did in the old days.
You are just pissed off because you can't go around feeling you are somebody special, *cough* 0,2% *cough* and go around fuck with the 98% player base. Heh.
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The reality of the situation is that most "vets" of this game have simply moved on - they have full time jobs, families - hell, that's what happened to my brother who was in one of the top 20 European guilds. Older players quit largely for this reason because they're - yep, you guessed it - older..
And what about Blizzard's own data? "less engagement from casual players" not to mention complaint after complaint from LFR players about how broken it is. Did we mention the Asian problem? The Asian market is much more volatile especially in the PRC as you should know. WoW has suffered on the Asian market make no mistake. So why don't you just be honest and tell us what you're thinking? That Blizzard are big fat liars, right? :S
I don't care about flying mounts as I am a PvE server player...if PvPer's want them removed on PvP servers *only* then that's fine by me.
And you bought a Blizzon ticket? I'm pretty sure you could of spent that money on something better. Season ticket maybe? :P Something you enjoy..?
Yes you see I have nothing personal against you, but when it comes to the topic of this thread... /: And I find your disdain for the casual community to be pretty ridiculous. You clearly know nothing about this community or about how diverse it is.
Chickens are awesome.
And people dosing before the tanks decided if they were just going to let everybody die for being a holes or not.
An overgeared shadowpriest ended up tankong Horridon down to about 35% before one of them was able to get aggro.
It's the impatient "experts" that cause all the havoc in lfr.
For example a different group spent like 20 minutes dealing with the Magehera trash because the expert tanks kept running ahead to skip it all and not dealing with body pulls.
If the group had just cleared the damn trash we could have saved most of that 20 minutes.
Wait. Was this really an actual statement posited in this thread? "Get rid of LFR and flying mounts and millions of people would subscribe or resubscribe to WoW"? Someone thinks this? FOR REAL!? I'm... stunned... by the lack of logic.
Your second mistake is assuming that even if people did come back, people wouldn't leave. I would probably quit WoW if they took out flying mounts and LFR. I use LFR almost daily, and my flying mount is my #1 mode of transportation. I don't even know what you're on about with this flying mount thing. Flying mounts have been in since BC, and the majority of players have loved them, no one i have ever known (7 year veteran here) has ever had a complaint about a flying mount..? no. Just no.
People might come back, but that number would be vastly inferior to the amount of newly disgruntled users who will NOW leave because of the idiotic changes you've proposed, and I'd be one of them. People have quit WoW, but you're so easy to associate the blame as to why. When in fact it usually just comes down to finances, boredom, or people moving on and finding something else to do with their time, nothing more.