In 6.0 you can do dungeons and heroic dungeons.
In 6.2 you can do LFR for 6.0.
In 6.4 you can do LFR for 6.2
In 7 you will never see the end boss raids because you will now be back to leveling up and doing dungeons and heroic dungeons.
I mean if its good enough for them then its good enough to keep you engadged and subscribed. And you can do this every day while reminding yourself that you only have to do it because some guy on the internet got pissy that someone else seeing stuff and having purple colored gear makes them feel less special.
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I find that anyone who makes references to rewards have the least leg to stand on since they are just mad that someone else has a purple colored item, which means they did not change with the times in 2008 when purple no longer denoted skill but rather what you get when you disenchant that item. Skill is now denoted by the name of the raid on the gear and the ilevel of the gear. Its real simple but like the person still refusing to cut the mullet off after 30 years they just don't understand that society has moved on without them.
Umm make time to raid? I dont understand why people think because theyre "casual" they deserve to see every bit of the game.
Think about it this way:
If you went and bought the game Dark Souls, took it home and couldnt beat it, you dont go back to the game store asking for a "gimped" version of the game simply because you werent good enough to beat it and/or didnt "have the time"
If you dont have the time to play the game, why are you even playing? It makes zero sense. There is nothing wrong with being "casual" if all you want to do are simple things, but dont act like you deserve everything to be catered to you.
All LFR does it take away the "epic" feeling from seeing things that other "casual" and/or "unskilled" players couldnt do.
tl:dr... Get better at your hobby or find a new one. And if you dont "have the time to commit" then you dont technically have the luxary of hobbies.
Last edited by Zeddicious; 2013-11-01 at 08:28 PM.
Normal modes... what else?
Just cause u play casually doesnt mean you cant raid, its such a victim complex some people have.
Doesn't it hurt to be irrelevant? Doesn't it just hurt so much? You worked so hard to kill all those bosses, and now it's like you don't even matter.
Me personally, i dont much care for LFR because its mindless and not challenging in the slightest. But now we are pretty much FORCED to do this content if we want to raid.. How else do you get gear? Heroic Dungeons? and Senarios? Last i checked, ilvl 463 & 480 gear wasnt good enough to get into Flex/Normal (ESPECIALLY with this gear gap).
People who put in the time to run 1-2 toons through LFR COULD BE using that time for normal/flex modes. Guilds die in this game left and right because people dont need them anymore. And when guilds die, people quit. Slowly but surely this game will die and its unfortunate.
Also, over time, it seems like this game has almost been overcome with trolls and obnoxiously rude people. Its almost to the point where if youre a decent person, youre driven away because youre the oddball.
I would love to see a good justice vendor back.
I do not however think that a justice vendor should give you all the pieces you need. It should be able to fill a few holes on your gear. I am a strong believer in that tiers should remain relevant. Outside of achievement runs and/or legendary quest farming, I almost never see anyone running the old tier of content. Back in WotLK I did T9 on a weekly basis even in T10, despite not needing the gear. I liked to help others gear up and it only took an hour of my time, was quite fun to do. I also did T7 almost every week, and T8 occationally (it was harder finding T8 pugs as it was to hard for the people that just dinged, and the people with more gear ran T9 since it dropped better loot). I think that this current raid system we have where the old tiers get instantly out of date as soon as a new tier releases is unhealthy for the game.
I am not saying that I think that people should grind through every tier to progress, not at all, there should be alternate sources of gearing up. Such as justice point vendors, but I do not think that it should cover all gear slots. Old tiers in my opinion needs to stay relevant the entire expansions and alts / rerolls / new players should be able to find good gear upgrades in the previous tier when gearing up. Using the current raid system, I think that a healthy way to progress into the future tiers would be.
LFR always lower item level than the previous tiers normal mode.
Flex should be between previous tier normal/heroic. Should not be the same or higher as previous tier heroic.
This would allow for the item level difference between Tier N and Tier N+1 normal and heroic mode to be lower, which would lead to less gear inflation.
There should be a valor and justice vendor selling about 6-7 different gear pieces that are the same item level as current and previous tiers normal mode respectively.
Should be some 5 man content that drop LFR equivelant gear.
The next tier normal mode should be half a tier ahead of the previous tiers heroic mode.
This would fix the issue of inflation we had this expansion. The numbers are gettig insane now. It would also diminish the difference in output between someone in LFR and Normal gear. It would also keep old tiers relevant to gearing up
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I am so tired of seeing terrible people, being admired, for being terrible people.
You're not forced to do anything. You can easily hit 500+ without setting foot in a raid. Just because most people post absurd req for flex groups(If you're seriously suggesting you need heroic ToT level gear for flex, you're insane) doesn't mean you have to do LFR.Me personally, i dont much care for LFR because its mindless and not challenging in the slightest. But now we are pretty much FORCED to do this content if we want to raid.. How else do you get gear? Heroic Dungeons? and Senarios? Last i checked, ilvl 463 & 480 gear wasnt good enough to get into Flex/Normal (ESPECIALLY with this gear gap).
Second, how about you not put words in my mouth while going off on your little rage tirade?
Ideally the initial round of raids has more than one tier (like this expansion had) and "casuals" should have some initial raiding to do (though if they're truly casual, I'd wonder how long it would take them to hit level cap, get geared, and get into raids), and there should still be Flex raids that are easier than normal mode.
I addressed not being able to do end game raids if you actually read my post, and I don't care if casuals get purples or not. Personally, I thought LK heroic dungeon end bosses offering the same level of epic items as 10 man Naxx was a pretty good way to do things back during WotLK.
Edit: And to add to that: In vanilla WoW, I never raided anything past Molten Core. In Burning Crusade, I never raided anything past Karazhan. During those expansions I didn't really focus on raiding or maximizing my own character and did other things and played other video games from time to time. Raiding really wasn't a major concern, but I got into it in the beginning of LK and managed to find a decent guild shortly before ToC came around. WotLK and Cata were my hardcore raid expansions, and going from LK to Cata, it took me about a month or a bit longer to go from 80 to 85 and get geared to do raid content. I wouldn't consider myself a casual player either. So not having a major LFR raid to do during that initial wait period shouldn't be that big a deal for a casual player.
Last edited by Willias; 2013-11-01 at 10:23 PM.
LFR today was exactly like that. A lot of first timers on Megaera, tank calmly typed out what to do. Everyone lived and didn't act the fool on the way to Ji-Kun.
When people start talking critical about the LFR system, I'm reminded what they're actually saying is "It's a shame there's not someone here who will wrangle the group together".
People who don't raid, don't do guild stuff, hardly ever have the time to play said game...I'm sorry, but there is no market for you in this game. An MMO resolves around time spent...the more you play the game the more you get out of it.
LFR is just shit...I'm not even sure what you're trying to argue. It's a horrible gaming experience and has all the worst attributes in a raid that you generally want to avoid. It needs significant improvement or needs to be removed all together. This is about whats best for the game, not whats best for some random casual who doesn't really give a fuck about anyone other than him/her self.
People survived with out having a computer automatically set you in a group, you're a big enough boy to find your own raid groups. We all use to do this at one time lol
This is the ONLY redeeming feature for LFR/LFD. Ease of use and that's only if you're too lazy to find a good group...and a good raid group is always better than the crap you will find in LFR/LFD.
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