We never even whisper said LFR player, it's more so people whispering me asking to raid or half-filling out apps saying "I'm better than everyone in LFR! accept me!"
So really, it's only a minor annoyance.
And then you list of all these things you've already done or have don't enjoy doing, while claiming to represent casuals. But you don't sound like a casual if you've done that much stuff already.
The only thing LFR needs is a tool that will auto remove people who are slacking and being AFK. I don't mind new players that suck at the game because they will learn sooner or later if they try but it's pretty frustrating seeing 5+ people at the back of the raid AFKing on trash and even bosses being absolutely worthless.
Vote to kick doesn't even work half the time because of some weird protection and the community is way too big and simple minded as a whole to get the fact that with enough vote kicks the players in LFR would eventually start playing and behaving normaly. There should be a limit to how much DPS and healing you can be doing to still stay in the raid. If you don't meet that requirement over a certain period of time you're out. It's really bad for the game that casual raiding means AFKing and just not giving a damn about 24 other people in the raid. I don't mind players dieing on encounters because they didn't know tactics to the boss. Usualy just moving your char out of the fire is enough on most encounters to survive. But it's really rage inducing to see players following others during trash and auto attacking on bosses with 10-20k dps just to not seem AFK.
In general, it's easy to kick a single player, and very rarely do I see a case where multiple people need to be kicked from a group in LFR.
Kicks got restricted because players abused the system as much as it could possibly abused. This is why we can't have nice things, et cetera.
Just create a difficult "in crescendo" curve, and put LFR something mid-top of this curve. This should be the end.game for all players. If you put an endgame at the lowest part of this curve, then you will allways have a bad evolving community.The only thing LFR needs is a tool that will auto remove people who are slacking and being AFK.
This is a general observation that's true for pretty much every decent raiding guild. Hell, players don't even get into those guilds without being asked theorycrafting questions on recruitment applications.
However, this is probably pointless. I fully expect you to come back and say how you don't need external help to be the world's best paladin, just like how you raid at the top of the game without mods or voice chat. We've been here before, haven't we?
Perhaps that's my biggest problem with LFR. It's got nothing to do with casual players, because casual players can also be very good. It's aimed squarely at bad or new players that the levelling game hasn't educated well enough, and then tuned with the assumption better players will be there to pick up the slack. When General Nazgrim went through his round of nerfs, I was honestly amazed at how far Blizzard took it.
Boss encounters honestly do not get much simpler than "prioritize adds, don't stand in axes, don't DPS him in Defensive Stance".
Is that really too much to expect? And if it is, where does the blame for that lie? A section of the playerbase likes to blame 'The Casual' (who is fast becoming a bogeyman character), but I blame Blizzard for making a mess of their expectation management. New players simply can't fail on the way up to 90, not matter what they're doing, and the game makes no attempt to counter-leverage the system of guaranteed rewards and success pre level cap.
It really needs to.
For what it's worth, I've enjoyed the majority of your contributions in this thread. I think we view the most important things very similarly.
Also... I've missed too many pages to catch up. I'll try and stay on top of this from now on.
And everyone immediately knows what you're talking about. In 25-man arguments break out:Deliberately pulling trash into the boss
- Pallyjerk: HunterX pulled
- HunterX: No, I misdirected and then feigned death for good measure, as planned. Kick Pallyjerk! He put a HoP on the tank so he couldn't get threat.
- Everyone else: ???
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