People in LFR tend to care a lot when people suck. Atleast from my experience. A single wipe and people start pointing fingers.
There are several casual raiding guilds that I think would fit you better if you are after that experience when nobody cares if you are bad or not.
I'm pretty sure a large portion of the obese population would disagree with you there. And I'm not trying to be funny.
To use your analogy:
LFR is like being the obese friend who wants to play basketball, but doesn't want to put any effort into losing weight, so he sits by and watches, or plays for 2 minutes before crawling to the bench. He doesn't really play, but he likes the thought of playing, or at least being around people who are playing.
Flex is like the group of 40something friends who get together every once in a while to get away from their spouses and chat it up. Sure, they play a little basketball, but mainly they just enjoy the time to talk and hang out.
Normal is like the group of friends who get together a 1-2 nights a week to play basketball because they want to stay fit and they enjoy the game. They like to get together on weekends and watch games together and they stay up on scores and stats for fun.
HM is like the group of guys who are on a team, train regularly and compete against other teams, whether it be professionaly (WF) or just because it's exciting and challenging for them.
What, do you want to do the same with basketball? "If you don't practice 3 hours every day, you can never step onto a court again. You're a leech." "If you don't practice piano 3 hours a day, you should never be able to touch a keyboard ever again."
Yeah, I think you're beginning to see how irrational you sound
Sorry, but according to my experience it's just these no skilled leeches, that are the first ones to yell and kick other low performing players.
A good player might want try to give some advice to see if the other guy improves, or if he really is a leech.
So an LFR group where there are only leech type of players would fall apart almost instantly, because even for them some form of effort is required, which the leech will not commit to.
I don't even want to imagine the raid chat in such a group.
Indeed.Originally Posted by anaxie
Bolded for reference. Again, it's not exclusive by the game mechanics by any means. Unless of course, you are saying that SoO locks down it's gates on Tuesdays and doesn't let anyone raid it. This is not a Blizzard issue, again, it's a player based issue. If there's no guilds on your server that fit your timeframe for your schedule, that is your problem. They have also given you the tools to rectify that situation by either re-rolling on another server or tossing some cash for a character transfer.
Again, it's not exclusive as far as the game goes. It's exclusive due to player created issues like schedules and guild raiding requirements.
The only thing that is even close to an example of something being exclusive is the ILvL requirement. If you do not meet the stated ILvL for LFR, there is no way within the games mechanics you can get into an LFR. That's exclusive. Player created issues don't make the games content exclusive.
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I think it's really only the trinkets and maybe Tier set bonuses that do create incentive in the beginning of the Tier.
I think it is not unreasonable to request that LFR trinkets are not more powerful that last Tiers HEROIC trinkets that were acquired with A LOT of teamwork.
my dear, he was referring to "weak incentive" since LFR doesn't get you extra sigils/runes/cohones if you clear normal mode / HC.Originally Posted by anaxie
Sigh. I wasn't talking about the item, because you weren't talking about the item. But the quest drops. You were discussion reason why encouraged to do LFR. Only thing the legendary has to do with LFR is quest drops.
Man you are certainly great at ignoring context to insert your own meaning into things.
Raiding isn't exclusive. If you can manage to put together a group skilled enough, you can kill bosses. Are you upset that people who are more dedicated at something get to enjoy more "spoils". I don't understand what you're complaining about.
If you want a shot at the big leagues, you have to put in the time to acquire the necessary skills and teamwork.
In my view, raiding is and has never, been seen as exclusive, it's always been about your effort and time invested into the game.
This is why some people hate LFR, because now, with almost zero effort, people get to do the things that before LFR, took months for players to gear up for, then clear, then progress heroics, then farm and so on.
I like LFR for allowing the population to see raids, its a major part of the game, it shouldn't be exclusive, but they need to work on things to improve players, even if its forced, like you have to do proving grounds gold, and you have to have gems and enchants or whatever, I don't see the fun in afk'ing, I'd rather play to my best, dps becomes fun when someone else is matching your dps, you race them, you go above them, then drop below, you've got to follow tactics, not died, not be a retard etc all whilst trying to beat your friend or whatever, thats an awesome part that afkers miss.
Still gotta do the bosses that are after the one you were progressing on.=Granyala;23182121
my dear, he was referring to "weak incentive" since LFR doesn't get you extra sigils/runes/cohones if you clear normal mode / HC.
I guess if your progression on normal is behind the gating of LFR yes that would be another reason to do LFR for the drops. Or if you are on say wing N of progression and you can complete Wings N+ on LFR to complete that phase in between raid nights. Again I don't feel that would bring it from a weak incentive to even a moderate incentive.
Last edited by gamingmuscle; 2013-10-31 at 05:23 PM.
Ditto on that. Ultimately it wouldn't make any real difference, but it would shut up the 'welfare epics' complainers (who ironically don't seem to remember it was a term to describe PvP gear during TBC).
LFR is great. I don't touch it with a bargepole anymore, but the fact it exists means my raiding experience is improved. If it didn't exist, it wouldn't have as much funding/focus and thus would suck more.