Not at all. The light burns the undead.. SO ... Yeah.
I'd love Forsaken Paladins. I'd love other classes too; Night Elf Paladins, Blood Elf Druids, Draenei Warlocks, etc. some of those classes and races just don't mix. Others can be made to fit with existing lore.
For example, I have my own concepts for NE paladins and BE Druids that use existing lore as a basis. I've shared them with other RPers and lore lovers who usually have an agreement or two and we put together concepts and more ideas to make them better fitting to WoW's lore. However, sometimes it just can't be done.
Draenei Warlocks? Even less likely than Forsaken Paladins. Tauren Warlocks? Fat chance. Orc Paladins or Priests? Good luck.
Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. Trying to shoehorn something into the game is bad. Blizzard could make it work, but would it be believable? Probably not. Tauren Priests/Paladins was done in an okay way (them being more "sun Druids," than anything), etc, etc. but like I said, sometimes it's okay and sometimes it isn't.
A lot of people are saying "no, only Sir Zeliek" etc.
However, there are examples of Undead Paladins throughout the game. In Icecrown for example you can see several Undead mobs using spells such as "Unholy Light", "Hammer of Injustice" and "Avenger's Shield".
Yes, lore-wise light burns Undead. However, Undead Paladins can still have the conviction needed to utilise their former light-given powers either by stealing them (as the Blood Elves do) or by sheer force of will, as Sir Zeliek and several other monsters display. Undead Paladins are not simply Death Knights either; a Death Knight is unique in that they are far less decayed than the average Undead (since they are very powerful necromantic beings, chosen for their prowess in life and thus aren't left dead for long) and have a heavy reliance on Runic powers to fuel their life-energy and powers. Undead Paladins would be perfectly viable both lore-wise (if we assume they are using Shadow Magic as Priests are, or are using similar powers to Sir Zeliek) and gameplay wise definitely would help with the variety of Paladins available.
It would be great to see more options for the Paladin class. They could even do some minortweaks to the spell graphics to display the difference in power-source for a Forsaken/Blood Knight/Silver Hand/Sunwalker... although for recognition's sake may wish to keep them all with the "yellow" spell graphics.
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Even if it would be awesome to see a Forsaken Paladin and I would probably play one, can't I see that happening. As much as Draenei Warlocks don't make sense does Forsaken Paladins not make sense. If you look at it, Draenei and Forsaken are the opposite as Warlock and Paladins are. At least close. : p
Forsaken on the other hand could easily use the Zeliek angle; they may have died, and now be risen to do another's bidding, but their faith and conviction is so strong that the light still serves them. As long as the Paladin has morals and uses his power for good, the Light doesn't abandon them. Forsaken don't need to be inherently evil. They were once living after all.
The naming of "Unholy Light" just displays to me the twisted version of the power of Light, similar to what Undead Priests use; it's essentially Shadow magic being twisted to have a similar effect to their former Light-given power. However, there are two ways it could be played and make perfect sense.
Either the Zeliek angle; still righteous, if dead.
Or the "Priest" angle; using shadow magic in lore, but holy magic for game-play representation only.
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Only problem with Undead Paladins is the same with Blood Elf Druids. They do exist but they are so few in number putting them in game wouldn't make any sense lore wise.
Undead can wield the light they just can't act as vessels for it, which is what a Paladin is. It would be like setting yourself on fire, not dying, and staying that way for the rest of your life, not a logical choice by any means.
Those paladins that are undead do not do so willingly or are totally insane (Scarlet Crusade)
Yes, it could work. I wrote an idea once of a hero class called 'corrupted paladin' which basically was a shadow / unholy paladin.
There was no such thing as "ability bloat" just l2fp.
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The Risen at Tyr's Hand are former Scarlet Crusaders who are now undead, and employ several holy priests as well as paladins. It's clearly a non-issue.
THat's how I envisioned my NE Paladins as well (Lorewise, they don't use the Light, their power is from Elune, it's Lunar based - we've seen what they could do with race separated powers with the Tyrande fight in the HoT dungeon). Much like Tauren Paladins are "Sun Knights/Druids," NE Paladins are "Lunar Knights," so I suppose Forsaken Paladins could be "Shadow Knights."
Did someone really say that something in the game is not lore? /boggle
Holy spec undead priests are in the lore. Therefore it stands to reason that there ought to be a few exceptional individuals who can wield the righteous fury of a paladin, though it sear their own undead flesh. No reason to exclude it, AFAIC.
I've been trying.You know that, I know that, but who is gonna break it to the Lore Knights?
If trees could scream, would you still cut them down? You wouldn't. Well, unless they screamed all the time, for no reason.