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With 520 ilvl? Anyone can reach ~540+ with solo content (assuming raid finder being "solo content" that is). I don't doubt you study the fights, but someone with 520 ilvl clearly hasn't tried to gear that char.
A guildie hitted 515 on the last alter he leveled the very same reset he dinged 90, and he had no drops from ordos and some pvp crap from celestials.
520 only shows you are a newly dinged char or simply don't care. Both of them spell "don't group with him"
There's many reasons for a person with 540+ gear to join flex....fill in a slot they haven't upgraded yet, offspec gear (I'm 560, I do flex for offspec gear) etc. Obviously the 550+ groups aren't for you. I join the 550+ groups cause its basically the only way to guarantee minimal wipes with oQueue....and even then I've joined 550+ groups that had trouble on Garrosh. I've joined 540+ groups that fell apart because of too many wipes. Anything below that I don't even bother anymore. Sadly when you deal with randoms in WoW requirements have to be ridiculous or you'll be dissapointed 90% of the time.
OT: They make the group, it's their call what they require. If you don't meet the requirements, there are plenty of other groups to choose from. There's also nothing stopping you from making a group with whatever you choose as the requirements.
Might not be what you want to hear but why waste time and effort when you can just bump the ilvl requirement up closer to your own so you don't have to carry people. Six 200k+ DPSers or one to three while the rest are pumping 100-150k? I know which I'd take every time if they're straight up pugs.
ppl dont want others with "a bit more xp" they want a quick and smooth run with 0% chance to wipe. most of these people are just people that want to get carried. Ive been in couple of similar raids with such requirements where at least 2 guys dont have the required achievement, 2 are 10-20 ilevels behind the "requirement" and none actually pull their weight.
the only good thing about this is that in flex 1-2 DPS and a healer can easily carry the entire raid in 10man mode.
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Last edited by Azshira; 2013-11-03 at 11:48 PM.
I'll clarify, as you seem to enjoy it. Having 520 ilvl now means not playing said char, and if you don't play a char i won't want you in my raid. Especially if you also don't have anything to prove you know what you are doing. Work on getting to ~530 and join flex 1 and flex 2.
Last edited by Inthislzon; 2013-11-03 at 11:36 PM.
in my experience, gear can only compensate for so much incompetence. At lease with high standards you are giving yourself a cushion.
You have to understand that some of these groups are normal and/or hardcore raiders either 1) trying to get trinkets/off-pieces/tier that they need. or 2) on alts and don't wanna be teaching people the fights. Some people just have different reasons to do it. Find the casual groups.
To be fair, I think all these "requirements" are just stupid for many reasons...
Firstly, everyone takes Ilvl sooooo seriously its unbelievable and completely stupid.
Secondly, hardly anyone takes achievements into consideration because all they care about is ilvl.
Thirdly, people want High Ilvl players with High Achievements (Ahead of the curve Garrosh usually means the player is doing heroics, I've not needed to do flexi on my main since second week)
Now.. This makes it impossible for new alts to be honest and its extremely frustrating.. I spent 2 weeks with very bad luck to manage to get to 520 ilvl (I simply don't have the time outside my main raids and IRL to farm burden of eternities, I believe I had got 3). On third week, I go on Openraid trying to find a team and not 1 person wanted me due to my ilvl and I had heroics under my belt experience, yet they preferred to take a few ilvl 530 players with just lfr experience, just because of the Ilvl (lol). The point is, it's very annoying that people make Ilvl sound like a godsend compared to actual experience.
I'm currently at 542 ilvl on my alt, yet I've only actually been accepted into TWO flexi 3 raids (first one we 1 shot everything) and on the second week doing it, I was only accepted into a noob group after 3 hours on Openraid which took 1 hour to kill Malkorok (This group was ilvl 520+ team) as my ilvl wasnt "high" enough for everyone else and only got accepted into ONE flexi 4 raid which accepted almost everyone whilst trying to join one for 2/3 weeks before and no one took me - This group fell apart after Siegecrafter lol, go figures! But yeh..
I understand there is a limit between Ilvl and Experience required, but it's the experience that matters, not the Ilvl. Yet the majority of players searching for players just go by Ilvl Ilvl doesnt make the player good at all, I actually top meters with players at 550+ ilvl or/and legendary capes / meta gems currently in most flexi's I have joined this week, yet I'm still not wanted for Flexi 3, 4 or for Garrosh :P
My Main - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte.../Divine/simple
My Alt that dinged about 5 weeks ago - http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ntasies/simple
Last edited by Hound02; 2013-11-03 at 10:37 PM.
You're really going to get upset how someone else wants to run their group?
If you don't like it, leave, or don't even join.
They want quick, wipeless clears. I've been in a LOT of flex's where people say "oh I know the fights" and very clearly don't, so I wipe on a boss for an hour +. I don't see why it's such a big deal to want an achieve so you know for a fact the person knows what they're doing.
People (read: Puggers/people putting together PUGs) want to be carried through content, so they set high requirements for groups and think that that will save them from wiping. Even though Blizzard wants casual players/pugs to progress through the content as they intended, people still want to circumvent that and brute force their way through the bosses/raids. The Ahead of the Curve achievement is definitely not needed for Flex, but naive PUG leaders think that having people with that achievement will ensure a smooth and easy run.
Find a different group, or make your own. It'll be much less hassle.
P.S. People often forget that you can get carried through normals too, as they aren't even remotely hard.
Its the decision of the RL to set any requirements for the raid. Obviously its faster to form a group just saying LFM but the run may not be as smooth. They can set w/e requirement they want for w/e reason they want as long as they are willing to sit and wait for the right people.
Its similar to "reserving" loot, you can reserve w/e you want as long as you're willing to wait for the right people to make the raid.