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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishpsycho View Post
    For the love of god can you stop crying about how others play the game already? You, who defend the poor play of people in LFR and call for nerfs left and right, so that crap players can get loot. You of all people should understand and respect, that how a Flex is being done, what the requirements are and when it's full is up to the person who starts the group. Grow up already.....
    Yes, the requirements are created so that a group of people who outgear the instance can quickly fill a gear slot with an overpowered trinket.

    Because, you know, it's important to be challenged when you play the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Normie View Post
    Yes, the requirements are created so that a group of people who outgear the instance can quickly fill a gear slot with an overpowered trinket.

    Because, you know, it's important to be challenged when you play the game.
    People want to group for different reasons. You can bitch and moan about that fact but its pretty futile isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Normie View Post
    Yes, the requirements are created so that a group of people who outgear the instance can quickly fill a gear slot with an overpowered trinket.

    Because, you know, it's important to be challenged when you play the game.
    It's still not up to you, how other players chose to run their Flex groups. So either group with someone who have requirements you find reasonable or make your own groups and see how far that will get you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Normie View Post
    Yes, the requirements are created so that a group of people who outgear the instance can quickly fill a gear slot with an overpowered trinket.

    Because, you know, it's important to be challenged when you play the game.
    Challenge lies in HC raiding, whre you need that to complete it. Try for yourself

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    I love flex because it lets me meet new people and organize large raids and generally just have a good time.

    My requirement for flex isn't some magic number, its "if we have fewer than 25, and you want in, come on in!"

    If you want to get really technical about it, watch how much the health of the boss increases when you invite someone, then see if they individually contribute greater than that amount. I'd say odds are good that unless you invited someone who was severely undergeared or completely inexperienced, they did. There is no magic number.

  6. #86
    When I've formed Flex groups it really boils down to two things:

    1) Do I have enough healers to compensate for the amount of mob/boss damage.

    2) Do I have enough DPS to compensate for the increase in mob/boss health.

    You will always have two tanks, so that isn't an issue.

    I try to keep the DPS at a 3/4 split for melee and ranged respectively.

    I do try to keep the size of the raid around 12-15 people. Mainly because it's easier to manage that many people (who in my case are usually 80-90% people I don't know), while keeping in mind the above two criteria.

    I've tried a few Flex runs where I've had 20-25 people, and it's a little too stressful to manage as the raid leader for so many people I don't know and probably have never grouped with before.

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    I usually run with 10-14 people. Why? Cause I make the group and that's the number I want to have in my raid.
    There are usually 5-7 peoople from my guild in the raid. And I want to have 50% of the raidmember to be raiders I know. There are so many lfr- and timelessheros out there....with ilvl 545 or something like that. They got lucky and got carried through a flex before and tada there you have your ilvl 545 rouge with clear-xp pulling 70k dps on malkorok. No thanks!

    Of course it's kinda ridiculous to read in the trade-chat: lfm SoO flex, part 2. only with ilvl 545+ and kill-xp
    But the thing is, you have to expect that these guys are pulling dps or hps like a ilvl 500 equipped char played by a good player. Of course flex-raid can easily be cleared by a ilvl 520 raid or something...but that's just theory.
    I want our flex-raids to be fun, chatty, successful and to have a possibility to equip our alts and not to satisfy PuG's who only cry and want to be baby-sitted.
    Everyone who complains about raidleaders setting the size of their raids should make their own raid. In this raid they can invite 24 more people and have fun with them in flex. We'll see if they complain again after this experience....
    It may sound harsh. But flex means flex and so 14m raid can mean full!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    for 13/14 flex it doesnt really matter what numeber of people u bring in since its faceroll anyway - now garosh is a different deal cause in there everybody needs to do perfect execution u cant really have anyone dead and people need to pull decent numbers - looking for my experience with flex so far garosh might be purposedly a bit overtuned there for the flex audience but since its the last boss of expansion its a good thing its chalenging - but like its been said hundered of time its rl decision how many people he/she wants to bring in so why people complaiin is beyond me - anyone can do some work make their own groups and then take even 25 people if they want -_-

    and thing about "stability" if u add 4 560 itlv players of course group will be more stable but if u would add 4 520-530 itlv people to the group of lets say 545-550 average then its not stability its dead weight -_-
    What kind of stuff are you smoking that you think flex Garrosh needs perfect execution? I've done it in 25-man flex pugs everytime, carrying 6-7 dps and it has never been a problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalmah View Post
    What kind of stuff are you smoking that you think flex Garrosh needs perfect execution? I've done it in 25-man flex pugs everytime, carrying 6-7 dps and it has never been a problem.
    Considering you can stack at melee the first 2 phase, garrosh is a joke, idk why people make such drama for flex 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umppa View Post
    2 healers is easily enough for up to 15 people. They don't even need to be that good. The dmg is pretty low on FLEX so if you know not to stand on fire it is easy peasy. Bosses are supereasy as you have lots of dps. You can even carry some crappy dps this way.
    mhmm we had some 50k dps frost mages LOL

    and it worked

  11. #91
    Most of the raids I bother to open and inspect on Openraid are capping the group at 15 people. Personally I think it's silly, but there is this pervasive belief out there that the fights become astronomically harder with more people.

    They don't.

    The bosses have more health to account for more players in the raid. A few of the bosses (sha with prisons, Norushen with orbs, etc.) scale those mechanics based on the number of people. But overall the fights themselves are no harder.

    Source: I regularly clear Flex with a group that runs 22-25 depending on who is logged in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goblingirl View Post
    Most of the raids I bother to open and inspect on Openraid are capping the group at 15 people. Personally I think it's silly, but there is this pervasive belief out there that the fights become astronomically harder with more people.

    They don't.

    The bosses have more health to account for more players in the raid. A few of the bosses (sha with prisons, Norushen with orbs, etc.) scale those mechanics based on the number of people. But overall the fights themselves are no harder.

    Source: I regularly clear Flex with a group that runs 22-25 depending on who is logged in.
    Even if you have 25 you dont have all the 25 mechanics, Sha still spawn only 1 add even with 25 (spawns 2 on norm and HC) So there is no point caping group. just kick the bad along the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dukenukem View Post
    Even if you have 25 you dont have all the 25 mechanics, Sha still spawn only 1 add even with 25 (spawns 2 on norm and HC) So there is no point caping group. just kick the bad along the way
    So, it's wrong to tell someone you're not recruiting more than 10-14 players. But it's perfectly fine to invite anyone and their mother, and then kick them halfway through and call them bad?

    I'd rather someone call me a dick because I didn't invite them in the first place, than actually BE a dick by getting them through a boss or two and then kicking them.

    I'd get called a dick either way, but at least by not inviting them I can save them the hassle.
    Last edited by Louis CK; 2013-11-07 at 02:34 PM.

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    We raid flex at 10, 11, 12 or 14 players.
    We're mostly a group of friends that raid together since a long time, and we're more comfortable in a smaller setting.
    I won't stop at 10 flat if there's a viable candidate that propose to join, but I won't go higher than 14 to avoid the headache of too many people.
    Also we never raid at 13 because it's easier to take another healer at this point than put more preassure on the three current healers.

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    Truth is, if you don't like how a flex raid is being run, start your own. Raid leaders don't have a special client or anything, and its totally free of charge!

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