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    Quote Originally Posted by Kornstyle View Post
    Blizzard and a lot of people here keep saying that LFR is not here to make Players better....Why do you need to improve your character if you still be bad and don't know to how play the game???
    Because that's the whole point of the game: get better gear. Being "bad" should not preclude this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darsithis View Post
    Tell that to the stressed out average and good players trying to gear up alts that sit for hours hitting 4 - 10 stacks on bosses because people can't seem to adapt to the mechanics.
    WOD fixes this. LFR is moving to tourist mode. Which will mean ghost town as the competent players that carried groups will no longer have the incentive to even enter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Because that's the whole point of the game: get better gear. Being "bad" should not preclude this.
    The reward for being bad is in general a punishment, at the least it should be nothing.





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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    The reward for being bad is in general a punishment, at the least it should be nothing.
    And punishment leads to unsubscribed players. You should get rewarded for completing any of the content that's available.

    Also, we're talking a different "bad" here: yours is bad as in "naughty", whereas mine is bad as in "unskilled".
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    That's right hardcores, keep fantasizing that they'll take the loot out of LFR, or remove it, or whatever. But guess what? At this Blizzcon we went from six modes of raiding down to four, and it wasn't LFR that was removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeTwelve View Post
    That's right hardcores, keep fantasizing that they'll take the loot out of LFR, or remove it, or whatever. But guess what? At this Blizzcon we went from six modes of raiding down to four, and it wasn't LFR that was removed.
    You mean "Tourist mode", right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    And punishment leads to unsubscribed players. You should get rewarded for completing any of the content that's available.

    Also, we're talking a different "bad" here: yours is bad as in "naughty", whereas mine is bad as in "unskilled".
    Nope. I meant bad, baddie, scrub, noob, whatever.

    If you are bad at your schoolwork do you get an A and put on the honor roll? Nope. You get more school work and if you are bad too long stronger repercussions from your parents.





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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    If you are bad at your schoolwork do you get an A and put on the honor roll? Nope. You get more school work and if you are bad too long stronger repercussions from your parents.
    Bad analogy: WoW's a game, not a teaching tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Bad analogy: WoW's a game, not a teaching tool.

    You can "poo poo" the analogy all you like. Bad has it's own special reward regardless of whether it is bad as in lack of any discernible skill, or bad as inability to follow rules.





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    You're fapping into the wind and you know it. But keep up with your sad little fantasies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    Bad has it's own special reward regardless of whether it is bad as in lack of any discernible skill, or bad as inability to follow rules.
    There are no "rules" in WoW.

    There is skill required to clear LFR, hence there's a reward.

    I don't see the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    There are no "rules" in WoW.

    There is skill required to clear LFR, hence there's a reward.

    I don't see the problem.
    Blizzard even stated that they consider LFR to be tourist mode and in the future expansion will take it farther along that path.
    Is the skill in being a tourist in knowing which buss to ride?





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    Quote Originally Posted by judgementofantonidas View Post
    Blizzard even stated that they consider LFR to be tourist mode and in the future expansion will take it farther along that path.
    Is the skill in being a tourist in knowing which buss to ride?
    I don't think they mean a literal "tourist mode", that is, everyone stands around and watches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Bad analogy: WoW's a game, not a teaching tool.
    Not a bad analogy....A lot of Schools use video games in general to teach the students different aspects. I read about a School in US using GW2 to teach their students about teamwork.
    Just google it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kornstyle View Post
    Not a bad analogy....A lot of Schools use video games in general to teach the students different aspects. I read about a School in US using GW2 to teach their students about teamwork.
    Just google it....
    /facepalm

    MMOs are not *intended* to be used as teaching tools, they're intended to be used for entertainment...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    Then there's no incentive to go there because the game is about improving your character. It would kill LFR and then kill the other modes of raiding.
    Blizz literally just said that there's still an incentive to use LFR because you get to see the raid instance, the bosses and the story. What they could do is make it a completely trivial difficulty and give some minor incentive for people to run it more than once to prevent overly lengthy queues.

    Killing LFR would in no way kill other modes of raiding. If anything it'd give a boost to Flex(soon to be Normal) raiding as you'd have more people going there for the loot and raiding experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeeTwelve View Post
    That's right hardcores, keep fantasizing that they'll take the loot out of LFR, or remove it, or whatever. But guess what? At this Blizzcon we went from six modes of raiding down to four, and it wasn't LFR that was removed.
    Eh? They just removed 10 man heroic and shifted 25 heroic down to 20. In exchange, they added Flex tech to normal mode raids. But they've clearly made the point that LFR is for seeing the content and not serious character progression, which I'm happy with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TylerN View Post
    I agree that these nerfs are too much, way too soon. People will never learn when content is just nerfed, instead of requiring people to do the encounters properly.
    Why is this a problem. A lot of people that do LFR may not have intention of becoming better or growing to Flex. They run it to see the content and have a pastime... People that want to learn and progress towards Flex will still try and improve themselves, even in LFR.
    LFR is so everybody can see the content plus for those actually interested in improving it is a stepping stone to Flex, but not mandatory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velde046 View Post
    Why is this a problem. A lot of people that do LFR may not have intention of becoming better or growing to Flex. They run it to see the content and have a pastime... People that want to learn and progress towards Flex will still try and improve themselves, even in LFR.
    LFR is so everybody can see the content plus for those actually interested in improving it is a stepping stone to Flex, but not mandatory.
    But the bad players who are content to stay bad(as you describe them) do not play well with ambitious players who want to improve their play and move on to Flex. Currently the good players are rightfully annoyed that their presence is required to drag the bad players through LFR. It'd be better for both groups if they were seperated.
    LFR gets nerfed down to trivial difficulty with all mechanics and role requirement removed, so you get your Tourist mode. And allow actual raiders to get gear more easily from somewhere other than Flex. If they set the ilvls up correctly, Normal+ raiders won't need to use LFR to gear up at all, even in the first tier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebert View Post
    I don't think they mean a literal "tourist mode", that is, everyone stands around and watches.
    Yes, you probably still have to kill the bosses.

    However "tourist mode" may indicate that there won't be any need to nerf LFR ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamerlane2 View Post
    Blizz literally just said that there's still an incentive to use LFR because you get to see the raid instance, the bosses and the story. What they could do is make it a completely trivial difficulty and give some minor incentive for people to run it more than once to prevent overly lengthy queues.
    You mean poor quality loot, like right now?

    I don't see the point in spending time in an area that won't improve my character.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tamerlane2 View Post
    Killing LFR would in no way kill other modes of raiding. If anything it'd give a boost to Flex(soon to be Normal) raiding as you'd have more people going there for the loot and raiding experience.
    That worked REALLY well for Firelands, didn't it? Lol. The game can never go back to having only players in control of the content since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siniwelho View Post
    However "tourist mode" may indicate that there won't be any need to nerf LFR ever again.
    I doubt that, given that they're changing the structure of raids again, this means the audience of LFR changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kornstyle View Post
    If it is a tourist mode, then they shall remove Loot from it....Why are they rewarding badies and AFKers who put 0 effort to the kill?? Its better to remove LFR and make the Raid like a cinematic, so the "Tourists" of this "tourist Mode" will see the story.....
    I'm sorry, but loot is not a "reward." The reward is playing the game and overcoming obstacles. If someone is AFKing and putting zero effort in then they missed out on their reward. So what if they got a purple item that is going to be completely irrelevant as soon as the next expansion drops? Live and let live.

    Also, why do you want to punish the 24 other players who had to work that much harder to overcome the trolling attempt by the "baddies and AFKers?" It's better to let someone gear a meaningless piece of loot "for free" than to punish everyone else for their douchebaggery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kornstyle View Post
    Blizzard and a lot of people here keep saying that LFR is not here to make Players better....Why do you need to improve your character if you still be bad and don't know to how play the game??? Get loot from LFR won't help them coz they will keep failing and failing....
    What makes you think that the purpose of this game is to "improve" players? The purpose of a game is entertainment. If you want to get better at the game by all means do so. Quit telling other people how or why they should play.
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    People need to get over the gear color (and themselves). It doesn't matter, and it shouldn't matter what other players have either. Worry about your damn self. Live your life by that. If you want to concern yourself with someone else, then worry about HELPING them, not putting them down or making sure you stand out as better than them.
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    Let's all sit here and wait to see if Blizz removes loot from LFR. When they don't, I'm going to drink some hardcore tears. I love how they keep setting themselves up for disappointment.

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