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    The OP is missing an option: that the two of them are the titular Warlords of Draenor, and they are the final bosses. Boom. I'd pay extra money for that expansion.

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    Turalyon is more Alliance than Varian himself, and Alleria is pretty much his soul-mate, so it would have to be very well done... and even then I'd be a little dissapointed if any of those came to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenais View Post
    I half tend to agree there. While Thrall's Horde was diametrically different from the one that preceded it, and, in fact, Thrall more or less remade Horde from scratch, he also took the mantle of Warchief directly from Doomhammer, so there is some sense of continuity there. The only responsibility that could be carried through would however have to be tied directly to the office of Warchief - all other Horde "instutions" basically ceased to exist after the Second War.


    I would more call it a chiefdom, since the Horde doesn't look much like a monarchy, but that's nitpicking from my side.


    It's not really easy to say whether that is entirely correct. The original Alliance was called "The Alliance of Lordaeron", and was made during the times when Kingdom of Stormwind existed only on paper; on top of that, there is no record in neither Tides of Darkness or Beyond the Dark Portal books that either Anduin Lothar or Varian Wrynn did actually join it; even if Anduin Lothar was the highest Alliance commander during Second War. Also, the Terenas II renounced any claims he could have on the Kingdom of Stormwind and the Tides of Darkness book seemed to imply that he tried to have others follow suit. And it could have commitements to the "Grand Alliance", question is whether that is the "current Alliance", or the original one. Even if it is the second case, it would imply simply that, commitement, not necessarily membership. Especially since in Beyond the Dark Portal, the Kingdom of Stormwind seems fully independent, not being a vassal or at least a partial suzerain of any of the Lordaeron kingdoms, or the Alliance of Lordaeron as a whole. The Alliance definitelly did have troops stationed inside the territory claimed by the Kingdom of Stormwind, I give you that. It doesn't imply membership either, though - we do have many even current RL examples where one nation/power has troops in some other nation's territory without violating said nation's sovereignity and/or integrity.

    EDIT: I fully forgot to write why I actually did pick up the Alliance issue x) Alliance of Lordaeron literally ceased to exist after the Scourge was through with it, at least north of Thandol Span (Ironforge was a member of the Alliance of Lordaeron, if I recall correctly). The current one could be called a legal successor, at the very least, but there couldn't be possibly any responsibility drawn to the events between the destruction of the Alliance of Lordaeron and the re-creation of it by the current one. So, while Garithos was indeed a major case of a racist, bigot and straight out genocidal madman, what he did after he came into control of the what was left in Lordaeron can't be really traced to the current Alliance, unless proven that he did work under the orders of any of the current Alliance nations. Also, claiming that he did gives some credibility to the Alliance's claim to Lordaeron (which, quite frankly, is in my opinion currently moot and even the re-appearance of Calia Menethill would only bring it from "moot" to "controversial), since it would state the Alliance had any sort of authority and/or jurisdiction in the region after the fall of Lordaeron. While it was clearly attempted, it looked more like an attempt to keep some sort of the old Alliance of Lordaeron intact (be it in a twisted form, the one doing the "keeping" being Garithos), instead of trying to connect it to the new (or re-made) Alliance, which did not exist at the time.

    Yes, but actually Doomhammer after his capture already wasn't warchief, Ner'zhul was. So he at most could be a "former warchief".

    I took "kingdom" right from Orcs old wow intro .

    Im 100% certain Stormwind was in Alliance of Lordaeron because 1) There was no reasons to not be there 2) Lothar who actually was Stormwind leader at that time was frickin Supreme Commander of the Alliance, and not only that but it was he, was who convinced others to create Alliance in the first place!

    If you insist that there are old Alliance and new Alliance, then please, can you find any ingame(or book) proof that Alliance was remade? Because everything i see says that there was only one - Grand Alliance. Did Alliance of Lordaeron even mentioned in lore? Because i belive this term used only to clarify which period of Alliance history is in dispute, and is just like "who is on charge now".


    us.battle.net/wow/en/game/the-story-of-warcraft/chapter2


    upd. never mind here it is us.battle.net/wow/en/game/the-story-of-warcraft/chapter6 New Horde and not_as_new_Alliance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lins View Post
    Yes, but actually Doomhammer after his capture already wasn't warchief, Ner'zhul was. So he at most could be a "former warchief".
    True, but, I doubt that Doomhammer did recognise Ner'zhul's authority. Either way, the connection is only in the "office" (that word sounds really out of place there...) of warchief, nothing else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lins View Post
    I took "kingdom" right from Orcs old wow intro .
    I do not dispute that. I am just saying that they do not even have a king, there isn't any semblance of a dynastic reign, etc. While there were elective monarchies (Kingdom of Bohemia did elect kings when needed, for example) and there is something of the matter nowadays (the case of Andorra, though it's... really unconventional nowadays), they resemble the orcish nation even less.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lins View Post
    Im 100% certain Stormwind was in Alliance of Lordaeron because 1) There was no reasons to not be there 2) Lothar who actually was Stormwind leader at that time was frickin Supreme Commander of the Alliance, and not only that but it was he, was who convinced others to create Alliance in the first place!

    If you insist that there are old Alliance and new Alliance, then please, can you find any ingame(or book) proof that Alliance was remade? Because everything i see says that there was only one - Grand Alliance. Did Alliance of Lordaeron even mentioned in lore? Because i belive this term used only to clarify period, and is just like "who is on charge now".
    I base my opinion on the facts that we do not know of any event where the Kingdom of Stormwind did enter the Alliance of Lordaeron - the Alliance of Lordaeron did restore Kingdom of Stormwind, but that doesn't imply membership either - NATO restored the Republic of Afghanistan (I believe the proper name is different, though), however, Afghanistan is not a member of the organisation, the fact that we do not know of any event that would signify that the institutions of the Alliance of Lordaeron would be moved to Stormwind (or elsewhere). Anduin Lothar was both a supreme commander of Alliance forces and the Regent of the Kingdom of Stormwind, however, that at best implies some sort of weird personal union. He did convince others to ally themselves against the orcs, however, he never did come under the command of either of them, which, yet again, doesn't imply membership. Varian Wrynn, who was the sovereign of Stormwind back then (as recognised by the kings of the Alliance kingdoms), is nowhere mentioned to have ever agree or have his kingdom enter membership of the Alliance. Lack of a treaty legally means that no relationship between two legal entities exists in the issue of said treaty, thus, if there is no known event/list that would state that Kingdom of Stormwind is a member of the Alliance of Lordaeron. The other kings are portrayed to agree on forming the Alliance, however, nobody from Stormwind is ever shown to do so, nor are they actually stated to be in that alliance before the fall of Lordaeron.

    As for the Alliance of Lordaeron being called "Alliance of Lordaeron", http://wowpedia.org/Alliance_of_Lordaeron - there you go. I am aware that "Azeroth" is listed there as one of the Seven Kingdoms, however, the book Tides of Darkness does nowhere state that Stormwind actually did enter the Alliance (while the other kings are shown to agree to their membership, one way or another), and since Warcraft II has been retconned more times than I can count, I do not consider it a reliable resource anymore (and instead go with the books and WoW ingame material). However, the article clearly states that Alliance of Lordaeron was a predecessor of the current Alliance, thus significantly implies that the Alliance of Lordaeron and the current one are two separate entities, membership notwithstanding.
    That, and if Kingdom of Stormwind was also a member of the Alliance of Lordaeron, then we come to a rather BIG problem - it starts to give credibility to the Alliance claim to Lordaeron, and I probably do not have to state what that would imply.

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    Well going on the talk these two (well the whole party of statues at Stormwind) are going to be the main characters of the new WoW film, it seems likely they'll be back so as to tie into the film. Although my guess would be they remain Alliance, something else/someone will be the Horde focus.

    In my mind at least.

  6. #246
    I still think that Alleria will be friendly to the Blood Elves, at the very least. She'll also want to meet Sylvanas...

    God, that will be sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenais View Post
    True, but, I doubt that Doomhammer did recognise Ner'zhul's authority. Either way, the connection is only in the "office" (that word sounds really out of place there...) of warchief, nothing else.


    I do not dispute that. I am just saying that they do not even have a king, there isn't any semblance of a dynastic reign, etc. While there were elective monarchies (Kingdom of Bohemia did elect kings when needed, for example) and there is something of the matter nowadays (the case of Andorra, though it's... really unconventional nowadays), they resemble the orcish nation even less.


    I base my opinion on the facts that we do not know of any event where the Kingdom of Stormwind did enter the Alliance of Lordaeron - the Alliance of Lordaeron did restore Kingdom of Stormwind, but that doesn't imply membership either - NATO restored the Republic of Afghanistan (I believe the proper name is different, though), however, Afghanistan is not a member of the organisation, the fact that we do not know of any event that would signify that the institutions of the Alliance of Lordaeron would be moved to Stormwind (or elsewhere). Anduin Lothar was both a supreme commander of Alliance forces and the Regent of the Kingdom of Stormwind, however, that at best implies some sort of weird personal union. He did convince others to ally themselves against the orcs, however, he never did come under the command of either of them, which, yet again, doesn't imply membership. Varian Wrynn, who was the sovereign of Stormwind back then (as recognised by the kings of the Alliance kingdoms), is nowhere mentioned to have ever agree or have his kingdom enter membership of the Alliance. Lack of a treaty legally means that no relationship between two legal entities exists in the issue of said treaty, thus, if there is no known event/list that would state that Kingdom of Stormwind is a member of the Alliance of Lordaeron. The other kings are portrayed to agree on forming the Alliance, however, nobody from Stormwind is ever shown to do so, nor are they actually stated to be in that alliance before the fall of Lordaeron.

    As for the Alliance of Lordaeron being called "Alliance of Lordaeron", wowpedia.org/Alliance_of_Lordaeron - there you go. I am aware that "Azeroth" is listed there as one of the Seven Kingdoms, however, the book Tides of Darkness does nowhere state that Stormwind actually did enter the Alliance (while the other kings are shown to agree to their membership, one way or another), and since Warcraft II has been retconned more times than I can count, I do not consider it a reliable resource anymore (and instead go with the books and WoW ingame material). However, the article clearly states that Alliance of Lordaeron was a predecessor of the current Alliance, thus significantly implies that the Alliance of Lordaeron and the current one are two separate entities, membership notwithstanding.
    That, and if Kingdom of Stormwind was also a member of the Alliance of Lordaeron, then we come to a rather BIG problem - it starts to give credibility to the Alliance claim to Lordaeron, and I probably do not have to state what that would imply.
    wowpedia.org/Alliance_of_Lordaeron I mean lore-wise, thats article fully created by players. I never heard about 2 different Alliances in lore.

    "Anduin Lothar was both a supreme commander of Alliance forces and the Regent of the Kingdom of Stormwind, however, that at best implies some sort of weird personal union. He did convince others to ally themselves against the orcs, however, he never did come under the command of either of them, which, yet again, doesn't imply membership."

    And he shouldn't because he was leader of Alliance and Therenas became only after his death. Or that's sounds just ridiculous, they can't give rights to lead a union to someone who doesn't belongs there. Alliance started as war coalition and the fact that Stormwind troops participated in second war mean that they are part of it


    "Varian Wrynn, who was the sovereign of Stormwind back then (as recognised by the kings of the Alliance kingdoms), is nowhere mentioned to have ever agree or have his kingdom enter membership of the Alliance."

    Because he was child and Lothar regent, yes

    "That, and if Kingdom of Stormwind was also a member of the Alliance of Lordaeron, then we come to a rather BIG problem - it starts to give credibility to the Alliance claim to Lordaeron, and I probably do not have to state what that would imply."

    I don't see BIG problem here, Stormwind already have right (as they think) to claim Lordaeron just because of refugees from there and they don't care about Forsaken because they don't actually you know, live there. Same for Forsaken who don't care about Alliance claims and belive themselves as rightful owners of Lordaeron, and thats why we have war. And credibility before what authorities? There are no United Nations of Azeroth, Amani have rights to Quel'Thalas but no one cares, because there is only right of the strongest.

  8. #248
    Quote Originally Posted by Serenais View Post
    True, but, I doubt that Doomhammer did recognise Ner'zhul's authority. Either way, the connection is only in the "office" (that word sounds really out of place there...) of warchief, nothing else.


    I do not dispute that. I am just saying that they do not even have a king, there isn't any semblance of a dynastic reign, etc. While there were elective monarchies (Kingdom of Bohemia did elect kings when needed, for example) and there is something of the matter nowadays (the case of Andorra, though it's... really unconventional nowadays), they resemble the orcish nation even less.


    I base my opinion on the facts that we do not know of any event where the Kingdom of Stormwind did enter the Alliance of Lordaeron - the Alliance of Lordaeron did restore Kingdom of Stormwind, but that doesn't imply membership either - NATO restored the Republic of Afghanistan (I believe the proper name is different, though), however, Afghanistan is not a member of the organisation, the fact that we do not know of any event that would signify that the institutions of the Alliance of Lordaeron would be moved to Stormwind (or elsewhere). Anduin Lothar was both a supreme commander of Alliance forces and the Regent of the Kingdom of Stormwind, however, that at best implies some sort of weird personal union. He did convince others to ally themselves against the orcs, however, he never did come under the command of either of them, which, yet again, doesn't imply membership. Varian Wrynn, who was the sovereign of Stormwind back then (as recognised by the kings of the Alliance kingdoms), is nowhere mentioned to have ever agree or have his kingdom enter membership of the Alliance. Lack of a treaty legally means that no relationship between two legal entities exists in the issue of said treaty, thus, if there is no known event/list that would state that Kingdom of Stormwind is a member of the Alliance of Lordaeron. The other kings are portrayed to agree on forming the Alliance, however, nobody from Stormwind is ever shown to do so, nor are they actually stated to be in that alliance before the fall of Lordaeron.

    As for the Alliance of Lordaeron being called "Alliance of Lordaeron", http://wowpedia.org/Alliance_of_Lordaeron - there you go. I am aware that "Azeroth" is listed there as one of the Seven Kingdoms, however, the book Tides of Darkness does nowhere state that Stormwind actually did enter the Alliance (while the other kings are shown to agree to their membership, one way or another), and since Warcraft II has been retconned more times than I can count, I do not consider it a reliable resource anymore (and instead go with the books and WoW ingame material). However, the article clearly states that Alliance of Lordaeron was a predecessor of the current Alliance, thus significantly implies that the Alliance of Lordaeron and the current one are two separate entities, membership notwithstanding.
    That, and if Kingdom of Stormwind was also a member of the Alliance of Lordaeron, then we come to a rather BIG problem - it starts to give credibility to the Alliance claim to Lordaeron, and I probably do not have to state what that would imply.
    Stormwind was recognized as an Alliance kingdom despite being destroyed and king Terenas himself invited the then young Varian to Lordaeron. Even if you somehow argue that Stormwind was technically not part of the old alliance because Varian was not of age to sign a treaty we still have the dwarves of Khaz Modan who were members of that alliance. Plus I really doubt that when Alleria returns she will start thinking about it that way, she will not care about semantics and technicalities. All that she will see is a horde with the orcs that she hates and blood elves who are probably led by the people that she disregarded when they told her to NOT help the Alliance. She will also be disappointed in the behavior of her undead sister who thinks that raising the dead as forsaken is right. When she looks at the Alliance she will see her people, the high elves, who are unaffected by demonic taint, her living sister Vereesa and the people of her husband.

    Tell me who would you choose?
    An undead sister that committed atrocious crimes or a living sister?
    A portion of your people that succumbed to demonic taint and allied with some of your worst enemies or a portion of your people that resisted and are in the faction that your husband supports?

    And are some people really arguing that she was a friend to Lor'themar? Even if she used to be it doesn't matter, she hasn't seen him in years but she has certainly been through a lot with her husband all this time.
    There is no way that she would choose a crazy undead sister and a "friend" over a living sister and her husband and that is obvious even if you ignore the fact that they are allied with the orcs.

    However, I can totally see Alleria trying to "help" her sister, that much is reasonable and expected but this shouldn't make her a friend to the orcs :P
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  9. #249
    Quote Originally Posted by Jaikal21 View Post
    If one of these happen :



    2) Turalyon is still Alliance but Alleria finds out about what happened to her kingdom and the Blood Elves, and decides to join Lor'themar.

    If you want my personal opinion on this, i'd like both of them to show up and join the Alliance. Damn, they even have their own statues in Stormwind, to me they are two important heroes of the Alliance.
    But i have this feeling...that Alleria will choose to protect her kingdom, Quel'Thalas.
    I guess it'll be a tough decision for her : To stay with her husband and her sister Vereesa , or fight for Quel'Thalas...and join her other sister, Sylvanas.
    Won't Happen. The orcs (horde essentially) killed her family and she vowed vengeance on them not to mention she'll probably have a mental breakdown seeing as how one sister is dead (sylvanas) and part of the horde

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    I'm Alliance, and I don't care about both of them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganathar View Post
    Stormwind was recognized as an Alliance kingdom despite being destroyed and king Terenas himself invited the then young Varian to Lordaeron. Even if you somehow argue that Stormwind was technically not part of the old alliance because Varian was not of age to sign a treaty we still have the dwarves of Khaz Modan who were members of that alliance. Plus I really doubt that when Alleria returns she will start thinking about it that way, she will not care about semantics and technicalities. All that she will see is a horde with the orcs that she hates and blood elves who are probably led by the people that she disregarded when they told her to NOT help the Alliance. She will also be disappointed in the behavior of her undead sister who thinks that raising the dead as forsaken is right. When she looks at the Alliance she will see her people, the high elves, who are unaffected by demonic taint, her living sister Vereesa and the people of her husband.

    Tell me who would you choose?
    An undead sister that committed atrocious crimes or a living sister?
    A portion of your people that succumbed to demonic taint and allied with some of your worst enemies or a portion of your people that resisted and are in the faction that your husband supports?

    And are some people really arguing that she was a friend to Lor'themar? Even if she used to be it doesn't matter, she hasn't seen him in years but she has certainly been through a lot with her husband all this time.
    There is no way that she would choose a crazy undead sister and a "friend" over a living sister and her husband and that is obvious even if you ignore the fact that they are allied with the orcs.

    However, I can totally see Alleria trying to "help" her sister, that much is reasonable and expected but this shouldn't make her a friend to the orcs:P
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    Seriously, who cares about what side or what they are doin?
    As long as the story is good and it stays true to the lore, aint that what everybody wants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lins View Post
    wowpedia.org/Alliance_of_Lordaeron I mean lore-wise, thats article fully created by players. I never heard about 2 different Alliances in lore.

    "Anduin Lothar was both a supreme commander of Alliance forces and the Regent of the Kingdom of Stormwind, however, that at best implies some sort of weird personal union. He did convince others to ally themselves against the orcs, however, he never did come under the command of either of them, which, yet again, doesn't imply membership."

    And he shouldn't because he was leader of Alliance and Therenas became only after his death. Or that's sounds just ridiculous, they can't give rights to lead a union to someone who doesn't belongs there. Alliance started as war coalition and the fact that Stormwind troops participated in second war mean that they are part of it


    "Varian Wrynn, who was the sovereign of Stormwind back then (as recognised by the kings of the Alliance kingdoms), is nowhere mentioned to have ever agree or have his kingdom enter membership of the Alliance."

    Because he was child and Lothar regent, yes

    "That, and if Kingdom of Stormwind was also a member of the Alliance of Lordaeron, then we come to a rather BIG problem - it starts to give credibility to the Alliance claim to Lordaeron, and I probably do not have to state what that would imply."

    I don't see BIG problem here, Stormwind already have right (as they think) to claim Lordaeron just because of refugees from there and they don't care about Forsaken because they don't actually you know, live there. Same for Forsaken who don't care about Alliance claims and belive themselves as rightful owners of Lordaeron, and thats why we have war. And credibility before what authorities? There are no United Nations of Azeroth, Amani have rights to Quel'Thalas but no one cares, because there is only right of the strongest.
    Well, participating in military operations implies alliance (notice the non-capital "a"), only a treaty can make a kingdom enter a "international" organisation, such as the Alliance. Mind you, I will cease all I say about the whole "dubious membership" the moment a direct mention appears anywhere in game or the books, because what resulted in my approach is very likely a writer oversight.
    As for authorities, well. Sure, no United Nations, in fact, the "current" Alliance is probably the closest to it (it doesn't have an absolute ruler, unlike the Horde with it warchief, which kind of makes it a "United Nations" analogy, and Alliance also isn't just a military pact like NATO is, due to all the diplomacy involved in keeping the Alliance working as is). However, any "legal" pretense (kind of rises the question "legal under which legal system") makes a claim valid - claim by strength is usually shallow and often results in armed resistance of the residents.
    Also, sure, the Forsaken do not live there, but they do inhabit the area. The real question is about them is whether they can be considered, well, ... I think my English lacks the proper term. The closest would be "people". They have the problem that they all already died (and were not ressurected), thus the Alliance is quite correct in not giving them any rights per any legal system they recognise. On the other hand, the Forsaken are quite adamant in providing resistance to any claims besides their own, so... Whether they live there is somewhat a moot question. They resist, that's important. And they will likely provide more of said resistance, likely even provide a direct threat to anyone who will provide a counter-claim, as they've shown in the past. That is the problem.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ganathar View Post
    Stormwind was recognized as an Alliance kingdom despite being destroyed and king Terenas himself invited the then young Varian to Lordaeron. Even if you somehow argue that Stormwind was technically not part of the old alliance because Varian was not of age to sign a treaty we still have the dwarves of Khaz Modan who were members of that alliance. Plus I really doubt that when Alleria returns she will start thinking about it that way, she will not care about semantics and technicalities. All that she will see is a horde with the orcs that she hates and blood elves who are probably led by the people that she disregarded when they told her to NOT help the Alliance. She will also be disappointed in the behavior of her undead sister who thinks that raising the dead as forsaken is right. When she looks at the Alliance she will see her people, the high elves, who are unaffected by demonic taint, her living sister Vereesa and the people of her husband.

    Tell me who would you choose?
    An undead sister that committed atrocious crimes or a living sister?
    A portion of your people that succumbed to demonic taint and allied with some of your worst enemies or a portion of your people that resisted and are in the faction that your husband supports?

    And are some people really arguing that she was a friend to Lor'themar? Even if she used to be it doesn't matter, she hasn't seen him in years but she has certainly been through a lot with her husband all this time.
    There is no way that she would choose a crazy undead sister and a "friend" over a living sister and her husband and that is obvious even if you ignore the fact that they are allied with the orcs.

    However, I can totally see Alleria trying to "help" her sister, that much is reasonable and expected but this shouldn't make her a friend to the orcs :P
    Oh, I am not using that argument to state that Alleria will go Horde, nowhere near. I REALLY hope she will be Alliance only, I just expect that Blizzard will retcon her around to being a Horde character. As a draenei player (Yeah, yeah, I know) I shouldn't really care much about retcons, but I would really hate that particular one. I am using the separate entities argument to show that there is simply no way Alliance as a whole could be made responsible for actions of Garithos until it itself agrees to. Also, I am not arguing against the Kingdom of Stormwind being an Alliance member - I am just saying that I nowhere do find anything that would outright state or definitelly imply that it was one. It's still just semantics in the Warcraft II era - they were definitelly allies. The place where it would have any sort of "legal" effect would be during "current" ingame times. It would make sense, however, I have seen many things in games and books that didn't hold up under scrutiny, and so I am trying to go with a minimalistic approach.
    For the Alleria choosing a side issue, we do have a bit of problem with who actually made her sister the monstrosity she is now - not many people actually know that the Lich King who commanded Arthas back then was actually an orc (well, in spirit, anyway) at that point. She'll only know that a human killed her sister. On the other hand, there's still the orcs who killed Lirath, after they pillaged, burned and murdered throughout an entire continent. Recent events show that they may not have changed all that much. And her sister is, after all, now a monstrosity, and the "current" humans did go against that human who killed her in the first place, so... She will definitelly have a lot to think about, but I believe that logically, she would be less conflicted about being Alliance, even though grudgingly, than neutral or, Ceiling Cat forbid, going Horde.
    As for helping her sister... I think she might give a try to "redeem" Sylvanas, but will end up horrified when she'll get just what Sylvanas did or was a part to. Sylvanas has gone off the deep end, and I believe Alleria will definitelly see that.

    Mind you, there's still the option nobody considered, and that's Alleria going against everyone. After all, it's hard to find someone (in sense of nations) that she couldn't find as having harmed her familly, so she could want her pound of flesh from both the Horde AND the Alliance. That would however mean going against BOTH her sisters, and as I don't think she'd like that, she'll probably choose one of the sides. And for that, see above.


    Whew, I seem to write a lot of stuff... I hope I didn't forget anything x)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaikal21 View Post
    If one of these happen :


    1) Turalyon and Alleria follow the path of Tirion/Rhonin, and become neutral to the Horde, for the greater good.
    2) Turalyon is still Alliance but Alleria finds out about what happened to her kingdom and the Blood Elves, and decides to join Lor'themar.
    3) We find out that one of them is dead, or dies in the process of the expansion.
    4) They don't show up at all, for another expansion.
    I honestly expect Alleria to become a Horde character. She was always dedicated to her people above all else, and wanted nothing more than to protect her land. This is a trait they carried to all the Windrunner sisters, but Alleria kind of started it. Vereesa has mostly taken her sister's personality, even marrying a human and having kids with said human, even though it's taboo and possibly dangerous. Since Sylvanas seems to be heading more and more toward becoming a villain, I'd expect Alleria to help the Blood Elves. She may have turned into a Blood Elf herself during her adventures to survive.

    That said, I don't really care what happens to them. They haven't been around for a long time, and a ton of things have changed on Azeroth and Outland since we even last heard anything about Turalyon and Alleria. They would have to be extremely central characters of an expansion for me to feel like their input matters.
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    Couldn't give crap about them.

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    To be honest I sort of expect Turalyon goes Neutral, but more Alliance/Neutral. Like non aggressive to Horde and everything. Kind of how Sunwalker Dezco is for Alliance.

    Alleria better not be Neutral. She can put up with the Horde to a degree, but any form of Neutral will just piss me off.

    Credit to Eronote.
    Credit to Shiri for Avatar

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