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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by Jetjaguar View Post
    if you guys didnt know mages are really bad at thok i promise
    Not really. Its not like there are casters which even have a harder time.

    Mages must be really bad at this fight. I mean, they are doing about 10k dps less than affliction warlocks and only about 50k dps more than shadow priests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Totaltotemic View Post
    What the hell are these even supposed to be graphs of? Why are there no axes labeled anywhere? What does "presence" mean? Why are there specs in the legend that literally do not appear on these graphs?


    Why does this post make no sense whatsoever?
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    pretty much the worst made graphs ever
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  3. #63
    This just in, warlocks are OP in Mists.

    No but seriously, anyone playing at remotely competitive level is probably aware of the warlock stardom this expansion.

  4. #64
    Destro lock here

    Single target I feel strong, not sure if still #1 but within a reasonable margin
    AoE IS out of control
    Most fights in SoO have adds to shadowburn from, boosting dps massively even over single target. Havoc, 4pc tier going off on cooldown, and massive ember generation. Although a lot of the shadowburn damage is overkill and might not be as much as it looks on a meter, just a lot of padding going on

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    nerf warlocks buff ferals pls

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragnance View Post
    nerf warlocks buff ferals pls
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  7. #67
    Why do so many still deny that warlocks are the strongest dps by an unreasonable margin this tier, you don't even need to do an in depth analysis to see this yet when somebody does offer real data many just dismiss it out of hand and repeat that idiotic blizzard talking point of 'bring the player not the class'. Locks are just far too out of reasonable bounds even when it comes to the top class
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  8. #68
    I don't understand, does that graph means that if you can't get more warlocks, you should stack WW monks? Because so far our (back when he was undergeared) was ranking on every fight even when he died, simply because there wasn't even 150 parses with WW. Raidbots does show Destro, well, destroying other dps on 10m hc, but on 25, Arcane is very close, could it be because of all that worthless Shadowburn overkill damage you can do on 10 skewing meters? Also, this graph doesn't take into account normals I hope? Because I still hold nr1 spot on Spoils normal with 14 raid people some from different realm. Normal logs are worthless till they fix flex showing there, else you will have classes with burst dominate them (Archimonde Darkness).

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by Venant View Post
    Why do so many still deny that warlocks are the strongest dps by an unreasonable margin this tier, you don't even need to do an in depth analysis to see this yet when somebody does offer real data many just dismiss it out of hand and repeat that idiotic blizzard talking point of 'bring the player not the class'. Locks are just far too out of reasonable bounds even when it comes to the top class
    I think people are more upset over the graphs being used by the OP to "prove" this is case rather than the actual claim being made.

    Getting a tangible hand of where things stand is often difficult as our (as in the players) ability to collect sufficient data is limited. Yes warlocks bring a lot to the table and are quite strong. But the exact amount they are ahead by is often the subject of debate with many holding the belief that outside of specific circumstances/fights that the gap is not catastrophically huge.

  10. #70
    If you take more Warlocks, they will have to split the gear and wont get the ilvl needed as fast to do this top dmg :P Just let one Lock carry you. haha

  11. #71
    Although the graph is dumb, what's even more stupid is I think he's taking n number of top parses from buggy WoL and just adding those numbers up for specs. So specs that are doing well will naturally have most of the top parses because you're adding up the numbers for those specs making a class seem horribly OP. Basically those graphs are bloated to make warlocks look OP.

    Warlocks are in a good place, no doubt, but when people don't even understand what he's doing along with how terrible that graph is and doesn't prove anything and shows how a good bunch of people with no brain cells will blindly believe anything they see.

  12. #72
    Real problem is not warlock, its all ranged. You can easilly go with a raid full of ranged dps, you can't go with a raid full of melee dps.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Shaqur View Post
    Warlock, real class for real men!
    It used to be that way. Until MoP hit. Now they're cartoons.
    Perfect example of why "community" forums are poisonous to the health of a development team. These developers are wasting hundreds of hours trying to stem the tide of incessant bitchery that would never, ever abate so long as these entitled, unfortunate human beings don't get their way.

  14. #74
    To shine on every single fight warlocks needs to play at least two out of their 3 specs. If anything Blizzard should try to do this with every class (3 different specs that shine in different situations), while at the same time adding some kind gameplay that requires more than 2 ou 3 buttons to some of said classes/specs.

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    It does feel like end of BC again. Warlocks with untouchable DPS, indispensable utility, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sethesh View Post
    To shine on every single fight warlocks needs to play at least two out of their 3 specs. If anything Blizzard should try to do this with every class (3 different specs that shine in different situations), while at the same time adding some kind gameplay that requires more than 2 ou 3 buttons to some of said classes/specs.
    Only works for pures. And no single class should be topping every fight regardless of using multiple specs.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

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    Can't wait to see 12+ warlocks in mythic modes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weightlifter View Post
    Can't wait to see 12+ warlocks in mythic modes.
    you have to have some room to fit a few rogues in too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peachblossom View Post
    you have to have some room to fit a few rogues in too
    Rogues are melee. Nobody wants melee.

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