You can't compare the Assassination DPS number Shadowcraft gives you and the Subtlety DPS number Shadowcraft gives you.
Which single target fight (and therefore viable sub fight) can you not KS at will? Norushen (if you are tunneling the boss, its kind of ST) you can KS at will, though you may need to cloak first. Iron Jug you can KS at will. Malkorok you can KS at will on normal. On heroic the adds could be in his slam, but then again cleaving the crap out of adds is going to put combat way ahead anyway. Maybe Thok? Though you can't really go dance on him at will or anything either during kite phase.
Sub is viable. That's the entire point.
Viable though doesn't mean it's better at anything. Like in my WoL thread, the reason i keep posting reports is to have tips from people and maybe make more people play it if they want - sure as hell i don't want people believe Sub is the OMG spec for patchwerk, because it simply isn't.
Sub misses all the utility the other specs have; hence it will never be the favorited spec for any fight. Even if it was a good chunk ahead on single target, people wouldn't respec into it for a couple of fight like IJ or Malkorok which have literally no mechanics and can be played in any spec.
Also Combat atm is dealing the same if not more single target damage than sub. If you raid comp and progress lets you play Sub, you can play (like i do). If you need that cleave or your performance is hindering the raid, stay away from Sub.
EDIT: again, being more on topic; don't use ShC to compare specs. Just use it to compare gear in the same spec.
I would say it also depends on what gear you have , i received a hc wf dagger way before i got any other heroic pieces, and I immediately switched. Kept sub/assa specs and compared them week to week and i saw immediate improvement in dps as sub.
Got better daggers than rest of gear -> go sub.
Got decent gear overall -> sub/assa/combat whatever u feel like playing.
Also repeat after me "Shc is not a sim , its a dps modeler" . To know more about difference between sim and model, read this awesome blog post by fierydemise.
Playing subtlety is like ballroom dancing, just that there is an ugly monster between you and your partner (tank).
Last edited by DakonBlackblade; 2013-11-08 at 09:31 AM.
All 3 specs are viable, period. I netted a US #1 Shamans last night as Assassination, that was equivalent to a top 5 subtlety. Combat parses that tank them together will obviously yield higher DPS than Asn or Sub, but that's a quirk of the fight, and plays to Combat's strength. However not all guilds do it that way, as we're one of the guilds that uses 3 tanks.
Play what you want, and what you're most comfortable with. Period. I'd say "end of discussion" but there shouldn't even be a discussion to begin with. It's been talked about to death. Use the search function!
I played a rogue in a place. I play in another place now. You've probably seen me around.
With AoC and good weapons, Sub will beat mutilate. IN A SIM
However, real raid situations call for AoE, cleaving.
The fights where sub is viable: Immerseus, Iron Juggernaut, Dark Shamans (but combat is better), Nazgrim (on heroic combat can be better depending on your strat, normal mode the adds die too fast to evisc as combat) , Thok, Siegecrafter. Paragons is apparantly great for sub too but my experiences with sub on that fight have always been bad. Garrosh you want combat because padflurry is amazing.
That's my take on it, at least.
And here we go again...
No, subtlety will not do more dmg to boss himself as its not highest single target dps spec.
No, it doesnt mean that theres heavy BF usage when combat rogue beats u.
sub is fucking viable. it does comparable single target to both specs and thats that. nothing more. Actually its fucking useless in every other aspect.
Sub sims too high for sure. However, contrary to what other people say, Sub IS higher single target damage than Assassination, only closer than simcraft makes out.
1) You need the right gear to do more damage than Assassin - a good dagger and AOC.
2) You need to know how to play Sub in PVE. Assassin is braindead easy to play. Sub is harder to play, and you spend a lot more time watching buffs and debuffs.
3) Doing more damage is fight specific. To win as Sub you need to know every fight and when to use cds and when not to. Sub is also heavily punished by movement and target switching and so on some fights it suffers.
And so it is a very general statement to say Sub does not do more damage. It does on some fights, and it doesn't on others.
Sub also has very good aoe. CT does more damage. 30% more agi and 35% from SV means poisons hit hard. You have much higher energy regen and do more foks and more finishers.
Even if combat does more damage then sub i would not play it because of killmespree. While using this piece of crap cd you cant use healthstones or cloak if something bad happens and it can easily kill you on nazgrim shamans. On malkorok its shitty if you are assigned to soaking. Thok: you cant use it at all and there arent many fights where bf cleave is usefull
ur "kill me spree" is hardly worse than "u must be behind ur target". both are essentially annoying and l2p issues