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  1. #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puerto View Post
    It will be a DPS loss NOT picking this talent on single target fights.

    From the wowhead tooltip, cobra hits for 77% weapon damage and produces less focus. Snipe hits for 150% weapon damage and produces a lot more focus.
    We have no way of knowing it'll be better than Bola Shot at this stage, as we don't know the actual values regarding it.
    Never mind any other changes that are bound to happen to numbers and skills.

    All we can really discuss at the moment is the viability of the mechanics themselves, not the the damage abilities do.

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  2. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by chrth View Post
    Then I recommend not selecting Snipe as your level 100 talent.
    The problem is, other options don't feel appealing either (at least for me). If I take Bola Shot, I lose single-target focus dump (I expect it to be weaker on single target than Snipe since it gets additional AoE + sometimes you can't hit adds around main target), if I take Snipe, I lose mobility, if I take With or Without you, I lose pet. It's to early to make serious drama over it, but it just feels like I'm not getting a new ability but like I'm chosing which one I lose.
    Last edited by Luccas; 2013-11-10 at 02:16 AM.

  3. #283
    Quote Originally Posted by Teremx View Post
    Cobra is nature damage buddy. Snipe is pure physical.
    Annndd??? lol. Damage is still calculated off weapon damage.

    Tooltip:
    Deals 77% weapon damage in the form of Nature damage and increases the duration of your Serpent Sting on the target by 6 sec. Generates 14 Focus.

  4. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by Puerto View Post
    Annndd??? lol. Damage is still calculated off weapon damage.

    Tooltip:
    Still, that´s pre target resistance/armor. Which will prolly end up with snipe hitting for half of that damage anyway and cobra for almost it´s full amount.

  5. #285
    X Armor reduces physical damage. Pretty sure the nature damage is barely reduced if not at all.

    And 99% of encounters have predictable movement so mobility is still not an issue with Snipe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peggleftw View Post
    i see survival as a pet spec more than MM, Survival to me sounds more like a lone hunter out in the wild, hunting for food with his trusty tiger, whereas Marksman sounds more like a ranger you would see defending a town, or in an army, no command over beasts, but a good shot with a bow.
    Differing view is different. We'll agree to disagree on the Survival vs. MM thing, but I respect the position nonetheless.

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  7. #287
    Quote Originally Posted by Rocknrule View Post
    Please go put on your helmet. You are basically saying because you like this SINGLE talent it wouldn't be a problem if MM/SV lose a choice out of just about every single tier, that is just so bad. Again if you are BM (which undoubtedly have been this entire expansion based on your previous comments) then there is no problem.
    you don't raid do you . talents are very easily changeable now . I change at least 1 for every boss ( as well as change specs completely depending on fight) . Some fights are VERY pet unfriendly , this new talent is wonderful for those .

    Again -talents are options to be changed depending on circumstance --they are no longer MUST HAVE ONE SIZE FITS ALL things

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luccas View Post
    The problem is, other options don't feel appealing either (at least for me). If I take Bola Shot, I lose single-target focus dump (I expect it to be weaker on single target than Snipe since it gets additional AoE + sometimes you can't hit adds around main target), if I take Snipe, I lose mobility, if I take With or Without you, I lose pet. It's to early to make serious drama over it, but it just feels like I'm not getting a new ability but like I'm chosing which one I lose.
    You are choosing the combination of talents that best suits the fight - they arnt set and forget anymore , why have a lot of people not got that idea yet , mmm maybe because most players don't raid ??? and have seen the true benefits of the current system -I don't know , anyone got an answer ?
    Last edited by Sul; 2013-11-10 at 03:06 AM.

  8. #288
    Yeah, I'm just assuming every talent is going to change massively or be replaced at this stage. Remember the original talent list for MoP? Looked nothing like what release ended up having.

  9. #289
    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipse View Post
    Yeah, I'm just assuming every talent is going to change massively or be replaced at this stage. Remember the original talent list for MoP? Looked nothing like what release ended up having.
    I agree and am not holding any thought that this will be the final 100 talents.... however, there is something interesting about the new talents (for all classes):

    It looks like their goal is to avoid button bloat and give passives or talents that replace other talents...

  10. #290
    Bola is nothing more than pre wrath beta Explosive Shot so nothing new just a rename. They just switching it with Arcane cos its the universal skill for all 3 specs.
    Snipe for ease rotation (1 shot instead of 2 cs/ss needed with a +dmg incentive for the non movement requirement)
    Overall nothing so much exciting, still hope for more disparities between specs with different resource mechanics.

  11. #291
    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremypwnz View Post
    X Armor reduces physical damage. Pretty sure the nature damage is barely reduced if not at all.

    And 99% of encounters have predictable movement so mobility is still not an issue with Snipe.
    All non-physical damage completely bypasses armor, so yes, it's not reduced. Given that mobs generally have ~30% armor, that means Snipe only does about 105% of your weapon damage as actual damage to the target, compared to Cobra's 77%.

    For a better comparison, Cobra does 38.5% of your weapon damage per second, while snipe does about 37.9%.
    Last edited by huth; 2013-11-10 at 12:50 PM.

  12. #292
    Quote Originally Posted by Luccas View Post
    The problem is, other options don't feel appealing either (at least for me). If I take Bola Shot, I lose single-target focus dump (I expect it to be weaker on single target than Snipe since it gets additional AoE + sometimes you can't hit adds around main target), if I take Snipe, I lose mobility, if I take With or Without you, I lose pet. It's to early to make serious drama over it, but it just feels like I'm not getting a new ability but like I'm chosing which one I lose.
    I imagine Bola Shot will be a dmg per focus increase over arcane.

    And if not, you know, you're not actually required to select a talent.

  13. #293
    I personally feel like if they do the whole "replace a spell" thing, they should make it a tier of talents. For example if they want bola shot to replace arcane shot, they should place Bola shot (active), something replace (active) and TOTH (passive) together. And then again for WOWY place that with a pet tier like blink strikes. I really feel like consolidating each tier to a type like "movement, "defense", "pet", "focus generation", "arcane shot", etc will allow for much better balance in the long run.
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    I am 100% pumped for these talents.

    New weapon sounds, and possibly a quiver(?) as the Q&A pannel said "Someone ask about hunter quivers already!" So i assume they're coming back as a cosmetic thing or minor glyph?

    This is the first expansion i have been 100% excited for, and i've been playing since beta.. it's just everything i have ever wanted in WoW and the new zones look amazing, the new World pvp zone looks like tons of fun and the interesting loot system they're doing looks amazing at least on paper so far!

    Woot! Now only 8 more months of MoP and H Garrosh.. wooo...

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    So much whining, sigh

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    Quote Originally Posted by InfernalDark View Post
    So much whining, sigh
    So, we aren't allowed to criticize the decisions that Blizzard makes? I appreciate the hard work Blizzard does, but I also recognize that the changes they make aren't always the best and when I see something I dislike, then I'm going to voice my opinion. That's why there are forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocknrule View Post
    What happens if a player specs into Intimidation
    Stunshot, 40yd range, 60s CD, instantly stuns your target for 3s.
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    Spirit Bond
    5% self-heal every 3s instead.
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    Lynx Rush
    Improved Multi-Shot, Passive, your Multi-shot hits cause your targets to bleed for X%AP damage over 15s.
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    Blind Focus, Passive, X% increased damage from your autoattacks, and increases movement speed by 10%.
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    while also having With or Without You? This shouldn't be a talent.
    This should most definitely be a talent because if it stays I'm insta-90ing myself a hunter just so I can get the petless spec.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InfernalDark View Post
    So much whining, sigh
    Your post is so constructive and helpful.

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    With or Without You
    Interesting, for BM not much changes. Just a bit more pet dmg.

    For MM and SV... Blizz needs to be careful with this, we need to use RoS and master's call (and pet abilities) in PvP and arena, I hope this change is not a PvE one (you don't need any of those abilities in PvE). For PvP they need to make a lot of the pet abilities usable by the hunter (master's call and RoS uncrittable mainly). Trading a pet CC for increased damage seems like a fair trade off, trading it for RoS + Freedom + pet CC doesn't to me since these are such important abilities.

    Due to this id rather just keep my pet then have 30% more damage :P

    Bola shot would be good for pve not so much for pvp

    and snipe.. well if its replacing steady shot and cobra shot it will be our only way to gain focus. Only concern is the cast time, in arena people will LoS that easily. Needs to do a decent amount of damage if its going to be a 3 second cast + our only way to gain focus. If you remember cataclysm, getting aimed shot off could be quite tricky at times.

    All in all im not so pleased with the preliminary out look of these talents but hopefully they will change in the near future.
    Last edited by Headtop; 2013-11-13 at 11:33 PM.

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    Bola shot looks like it may be the better choice in terms of DPS especially in smaller raid teams where the pet's buff is needed. Snipe is a possibility but that mobility penalty is pretty huge.

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