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    Angry This is why tanks are quitting lfr.

    I am sure many are complaining about this besides me but here's what i just dealt with in lfr.

    Get into first wing of ToT on my monk to help a friend out that's never done it, Figured i'd get him a fast q and my tank alt isn't undergeared, but she could use stuff from ToT so why not. Get in with a group with a pally tank. Other tank continuously makes random pulls and drops aggro leading to people raging at not only him but me, because it's my fault he's a failure right?

    We get to horridon the fun really begins. First of all, He pulls before everyone is in the room, and continues to tank him were he started vs bringing him to the door, I pick up adds and hope for the best. Second door i go to tank swap, Guess who doesn't like that idea and taunts him off me on every cd? As well as a HoP and shit to drop my threat, fun times. On top of that, he refuses to grab adds, so i'm left trying to keep horridon on me as well as pick up adds. this continues for the next 2 doors.

    We get to the last door by this time the entire raid group is raging at me because I'm a "HORRIBLE TANK" and a "Noob" at this point, It's my turn to tank horridon for the swap, so i pick him up and toss out a raid warning thinking maybe the tank just isn't reading the chat. Nope, He refuses to pick up any of the adds that spawn on the last boss, including the bear mounted trolls and jalak. So here i am trying to pick up everything and starting to take a pretty good beating, and of course the raid wipes.

    They instantly start screaming at the tanks, Mainly me because i was the only one responding trying to explain the situation, only to start telling me what a noob and baddie i am, and how squishy i am (Not even considering i was tanking everything at the last door) Before i know it, Not the other tank, But i am kicked from the group after they call me every insult in the book.

    This is probably just going at blank ears, But guys... Shit like this is why LFR tanks are mostly missing and or bad, You guys chase out the ones that are decent. I know i am not a horrible tank, But the way I and other tanks are treated almost every LFR has made me next to stop running it.

    Please people, Get your crap together and stop blaming the tanks, Open your eyes and look at whats going on as a whole before instantly throwing the blame on us.

    -A severely irritated tank

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    So it was a pally tank then? Cause he dropped your aggro. Paladins can tank horridon the whole fight cause the bubble in between doors to remove stacks. Maybe he said so before pull?

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    So maybe instead of complaining about this sort of thing on the forums...why didn't you...I don't know...DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT? It only takes 3 votes to kick someone if LFR. If the other tank was really that bad then why didn't you try to kick him? You aren't the victim here even if you think you would like to be. It WAS the tanks fault that the raid wiped in this case. Next time do something about it instead of just complaining.

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    You never said what class you were.

    Either way the problem WAS a tanking one, they were right to blame the tanks. It's just that they were too stupid to realize you were doing the right thing and they should have blamed the other tank.

    Really, you should have made it clear "guys it's not me it's the other tank. Kick him and we can do this well."

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    Yes, I was trying to get him kicked but i was kicked instead, So not sure how i can kick him by myself moments after stopping the fight. But ok, whatever. I did all i could but this is just proving my point. 1 person in a group of 25 can kick anyone they want and do everything. K then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitre View Post
    So it was a pally tank then? Cause he dropped your aggro. Paladins can tank horridon the whole fight cause the bubble in between doors to remove stacks. Maybe he said so before pull?
    No he said nothing, He responded to no one.

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    I said i was a monk maybe missed it, I was trying to tell them what was going on but was kicked instead.

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    Oh yeah you did say Monk. Sorry I must have read over it.

    Did your friend tell you if the Paladin got kicked after you?

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    As you said, he's a paladin and paladin can cheese the Horridon debuff allowing them to solo tank. Hell, even during ToT relevance I could solo tank lfr Horridon on my druid without BoPs just due to over gearing. If he died due to being bad, then you'd have been able to tank the boss and the adds, or someone would battle res him because hardly anyone in lfr is "decent" and he'd resume tanking the boss once he was up and you could freely do adds again.
    I've mostly stopped doing lfr on tanks and queue as dps because it's just a headache.

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    1)don't tank looking for retard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystile View Post
    As you said, he's a paladin and paladin can cheese the Horridon debuff allowing them to solo tank. Hell, even during ToT relevance I could solo tank lfr Horridon on my druid without BoPs just due to over gearing. If he died due to being bad, then you'd have been able to tank the boss and the adds, or someone would battle res him because hardly anyone in lfr is "decent" and he'd resume tanking the boss once he was up and you could freely do adds again.
    I've mostly stopped doing lfr on tanks and queue as dps because it's just a headache.
    Yep, as have i.... I just was trying to help out a friend. My mistake i guess >.>

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    1)don't tank looking for retard
    2)enjoy your tanking experience
    Agreed. This is mostly my motto at this point.

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    I think all tanks should boycott LOLFR, so the queue times go through the roof. That would be grand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sith View Post
    I think all tanks should boycott LOLFR, so the queue times go through the roof. That would be grand.
    It seems to be getting to that point, When i queue as DPS I'm always waiting on a tank. Maybe i am preaching to the choir here, But jesus this is total crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragashii View Post
    So maybe instead of complaining about this sort of thing on the forums...why didn't you...I don't know...DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT? It only takes 3 votes to kick someone if LFR. If the other tank was really that bad then why didn't you try to kick him? You aren't the victim here even if you think you would like to be. It WAS the tanks fault that the raid wiped in this case. Next time do something about it instead of just complaining.
    The tank wasn't the problem, bad players happen. The problem is the rest of the group who are incapable of any kind of discourse that doesn't involve yelling at people.

    If I wanted to be yelled at for something I didn't do I'd tell a mob of people I'm a child molester. It's just not worth playing a game if that's how people treat you.
    I don't think this matters nearly as much as you think it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zoefschildpad View Post
    The tank wasn't the problem, bad players happen. The problem is the rest of the group who are incapable of any kind of discourse that doesn't involve yelling at people.

    If I wanted to be yelled at for something I didn't do I'd tell a mob of people I'm a child molester. It's just not worth playing a game if that's how people treat you.
    Thank you. I just really want people to get what happens in LFR and why blizz keeps mentioning a tank shortage. The rest of the groups burn us out and chase us away.

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    Ahoy there mateys! Tank here!

    Yesterday I ran all of ToT on my Blood DK. I had 20+ minute waits on most queues. One of them was 48 minutes until I got in and for most of that time it was sitting on 2/2, 0/6, 17/17. In one of the wings I got in as DPS. In another one of the healers was in tank spec, in another the top DPS was a moonkin who'd listed as heals.

    My point? ToT LFR has no shortage of tanks at all, in fact it's healers holding up those queues.

    So why is specifically SoO LFR short on tanks? That should be the real question. See a lot of tanks have a shitty group and come on here and say "boo hoo I had a shitty group this is why nobody wants to tank for you you ungrateful bastards!", but hey guess what, DPS and heals have shitty groups that yell at them too. I've played all three and I'd say it's not all that different. Tanks tend to be prima donnas about it is all. That's probably a result of being the privileged few who can bail whenever they want because their queue times are super short.

    If the reason that tanks are so hard to find in SoO is because people are so mean to tanks, well then ToT LFR should be short on tanks too. But it isn't. So ACTUALLY, the likely explanation is just that SoO is harder so people aren't willing to risk tanking on their Pally that's normally Ret or on their undergeared tank alt, ergo fewer tanks in the queue.

    Several of those ToT queues had me tanking alongside someone who clearly is not normally a tank (one of them actually said as much).
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoefschildpad View Post
    If I wanted to be yelled at for something I didn't do I'd tell a mob of people I'm a child molester. It's just not worth playing a game if that's how people treat you.
    That analogy make me laugh. +2 Internets for you sir.

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    I logged in yesterday to find a "tank" pulling a trash pack (before Garrosh), and then bubbling to make people get in combat, or sprinting, or shield of whatevering.

    Can't kick, we're in combat.

    Then he dies.

    Can't kick, we're in combat.

    Then everyone dies.

    Can't kick, combat recently ended.

    Then he's back up.

    Can't kick, combat recently ended.

    He pulls again, sprinting, bubbling.

    Can't kick, someone is in combat.


    Eventually he screwed up his cycle and we nailed a kick just as he was about to be in range of his dumb shield.

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    I have experienced many similar situations, but I handled them differently. I think I have only been kicked once, and that's because I was actively berating a person who was on a power trip and threatened by my knowledge and refusal to default to their leadership. I got a good chuckle out of that one, especially since the raid became a disaster afterward.

    Rule Number 1: If Leeroy Jenkins goes into that room. YOU DO NOT FOLLOW.
    When you look back at the footage it's very odd that you would have tell people this. It's obvious right? Actually, it's quite hard to not get caught in a moment and (especially in the tank role) jump into a disaster before you realize it. Once you have learned the basic lessons of tanking, spotting the disasters and not following after idiots becomes the next thing you learn. Let Leeroy die, then laugh at him publicly... not for not knowing what to do, but for jumping in without knowing what to do. And that way, if he jumped in and had the situation under control all along, then you don't look like an idiot for not knowing his strategy and you avoid a power struggle altogether. If the tank refuses to take one job, you take the other and do it to the best of your ability... if they fail it is on them. And if they fail and you come through, then it's you who are the MVP and they who are the kick fodder.

    Rule Number 2: Only go public when you need an audience.
    Few people who are ignorant will come out and say "I am ignorant" to a bunch of strangers. However, if you keep it private they are more likely to be open about their ignorance. Whisper your co-tank first, sometimes that's all it takes to build a good report with them... and you can even be on good terms with assholes by being up front and private at the start. When your tank won't communicate, is a failure, and uncooperative. Then take it to the raid. By then it'll probably be obvious who the problem is anyway. I have coached more than a handful of co-tanks on the mechanics of a fight completely in whispers, and as a result the other tank looked more capable than would've otherwise. Win/Win (I didn't have to suffer wipes and they didn't look like a noob). The only exception to the rule is that if they are open and chatty to the raid, you should confront them in their arena rather than trying to pull it back to the shadows... once your out there, it's hard to go back.

    Rule Number 3: Logic prevails.
    When you get into a verbal fistfight the one who makes the most sense is the one that people will rally behind. Even if your not right... persuading other people is merely an extension of making sense to them. In other words: If they understand you, they are more likely rally behind you, or at least be civil about disagreeing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sith View Post
    I think all tanks should boycott LOLFR, so the queue times go through the roof. That would be grand.
    Yes the majority should suffer because the minority are assholes.

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    Key points of fault here:
    1. Paladin's overeagerness
    2. Paladin's lack of communication
    3. Raids lack of insight/analysis/keeping their ego in their pants skills

    The best solution for you would've been to leave him to his own devices on Horridon the moment he taunted back for the first time. If he was planning to HoP reset, then the fight would've gone smoothly (most likely), and if he wasn't, then he would've died himself and the raid would have been raging against his overzealousness instead of at you. Instead, you kept pushing to take the boss back off him, and from what you've said he made quite the effort to insist that he take the boss (Salv and HoP used? Just let him keep it). I'd be willing to wager that his lack of tanking adds after he finally let you have the boss was probably an act of spite on his part too.

    To summarise: LFR sucks, and as a tank in LFR you'll get the odd arsehole offtank, so the best strategy is to simply leave them to their own devices when they choose to do something stupid and be the hero tank who comes in to mop up the mess when he dies.


    I had a co-paladin tank like that in ToT 4th wing once, didn't say a word, and wanted to solo tank Iron Qon (as made evident by similar ability usage), but his mistake was coming up against an heroic ToT geared Brewmaster vengeance whore. He ended up giving up on doing anything on Iron Qon, didn't do a single thing on Twins or Lei Shen either (he was still jumping around, so he was still at his keys), probably in the hope of getting me killed, but not even a 40+ stack overwhelming power debuff could kill me in LFR at that gear level, jokes on him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wych View Post
    Yes the majority should suffer because the minority are assholes.
    Minority? What game are you playing? 90% of everyone in LOLFR is fucking rancid.

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