I'll be taking it because I like the idea of dismissing my pet and being viable, but I'd like to see it further changed. As it is, it makes several other talents and skills useless, including Master's Command, Spirit Bond, Lynx Rush and Blink Strikes. I think it needs a different approach.
Always wanted to play a petless ranger class in WoW, it'll be a nice change to take this talent.
This is THE change that will keep me playing!
Been wanting this for years! Thanks Blizzard!
I just wonder if they're going to do anything to accommodate the loss of utility from not having a pet, as many people have already pointed out. How will Spirit Bond work? The core mechanic and story behind the ability itself will be nullified by the fact that you don't even have a pet out at all, and there's lots of other talents that will be affected. Plus there's Master's Call and things like that that will e lost. Warlocks have had the abiltiy to play petless for a while so I wonder what utility they maintained.
I think they should just make lone wolf baseline for marks and surv and come up with a different third talent for the tier. Just make the Damage increase close to what the pet would provide. Not that I have any intention of not using a pet, I love my pet and playing the hunter just wouldn't feel right to me without it.
I don't really mind, more choice is more choice. Only option for me in the lvl 100 tier is Bola Shot, but that one sounds awesome to have.
Doubt [With or Without You] will make it live in its current form though. Blizzard was pretty clear on that talents shouldn't be passive damage increases, which is pretty much what this talent is.
Maybe they'll find another way to let some hunters run around without pet.
I like the idea for sure, though I'm more interested in what their design intent for that tier in general is. Currently the intent as I see it is:
1) Bola Shot is intended to be a clear winner for entirely cleave fights (maybe AoE in general depending on tuning)
2) Snipe being a clear winner for entirely single-target fights, especially with low movement. If all the talents did the same single-target DPS then I don't know why you would ever take Snipe.
3) With or Without You being good at AoE, good at single-target, but beating neither of the other talents in their respective niches unless there are pet bugs. Depending on tuning in comparison to Bola Shot, it could just take the full AoE niche (consistently 4+ targets).
So, for example, you would pick Bola Shot for Fallen Protectors, Snipe for Malkorok, and With or Without You on... Norushen? I view With or Without You as being very sensitive to the tuning of Bola Shot to decide whether it's an AoE-niche talent or just a TotH-style talent that's usually slightly inferior but is easier to use.
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Warlocks and Grimoire of sacrifice say hello. It seems good now, but in the end will just be nerfed to nothing. Hunters and Warlocks will always be Pet Class's in the end to blizzard developers. My advice. enjoy it while ya can!!!
I get that people are excited to finally play a ranger in WoW but to me it felt like Blizz is finally giving up on fixing the plethora of bugs we have with pets. Hunters were/always will be a pet class. I think the new talent is great and I will definitely go back to my favorite spec MM, but I still feel like we need a ton of work done on our pets. Which are presently still suffering from the age old pathing issues as well as other bugs, not to mention that with all the nerfing my pets now cant tank at all. I don't know what they did but on my Warlock, my voidwalker hardly gets a dent fighting elites. On my hunter I have to keep spamming heal and my pet will still get wrecked. Meh didn't want to sound like I'm venting but I feel like this is a sign they are trying to get us away from using pets. They know the reaction to GoS with Warlocks, when it was introduced hardly any Warlock used the other two options. I feel like this will funnel the vast majority of hunters into being pet less. Which again, goes against the original design of the class.
It sounds cool, but for me. Half the reason I play hunters is for the pet. So I will not be using it. In my SV I will most likely take bola shot. I like the way its looking. I do however like the BM half of WoWO. It will just be great having a super pet . Might give Snipe a try with my MM spec.
As a warlock, I am going to tell you, its going to be nerfed to do less damage than with a pet with the other talents. Its the same as grimore of sacrifice... and you are a "pet class" just like us.
Contrary to belief no "spec" does more damage without the pet... sym wise. Destro, the one that everyone uses now with gosac, technically, you should do 1-2k more with a pet, but its so miniscule everyone just sacs the pet.