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  1. #181
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    No offense, but I don't think anyone is going to take advice on what is childish or not by someone with a pokemon avatar.

    Aren't you like 16 yourself or something? You always gave that impression to me, so perhaps for you it's different to understand which things are culturaly appropriate for one's age.
    pokemon is the 2nd best selling video game series in the world and is played by people of all ages. it also has an incredibly complex meta game that requires more strategy then most heroic raids in wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    Why, why do you do this to yourself?

    1) they dont have 1 whole zone plus a whole dungeon on kobolds do they. Mainly a couple quests here and there. And kobolds look vicious enough. At least they don't go around stealing big lumps of oversized cheese.

    2)sporelings, fulborg and wolvar have all extremely dark EXTREMELY dark and interesting content.
    Sporelings being killed by giants, fulborgs and corruption everywhere, wolvar and their lands being destroyed.
    They also aren't talking in this dooking ridiculous language I would have found funny at 7 years of age. And only the first time.
    They also (again) don't have a whole zone AND dungeon apart perhaps fulborg, which shouldn't even be in the list since, have you looked at them closely? That's actually how pandaren should have looked in my opinion.
    3)pandaren ARE different when compared to gnomes or Tauren simply because with pandaren blizzard MADE WELL SURE to include ridiculous overwhelming references a la Adam Sandler.
    Epicurean? Bouncy? extra jelly belly AND nomnom language? Yeh, subtle. Didn't get that they were fat thanks blizz for reminding me 18 times.
    Tauren do not talk in "moo's" and gnomes don't have racials making fun of their stature. Not 3 of them at least
    That's what makes pandaren different from the rest. Oh and of course the fact that they look ridiculous with that disgusting extra belly and idiotic smile but hey. That's personal. The rest unfortunately isn't.
    4) yes ungoro was dedicated to dinosaurs and had a couple of VERY clever references to zelda. Unless you PERHAPS are you trying to compare the level, number and quality of references pre-cata and post-cata.
    5) sholazar? Have you, like, quested in sholazar? The whole eastern area is majestic, with the zombies pouring in from icecrown.
    6) yes uldum is shite. Worst zone after valley of four winds, since at least in uldum we have a captivating design. Still uninspiring but better than valley for sure. But then again mate, the fact that we ate shit once doesn't mean we should dine with diharrea.

    Overall, you're arguing about pandaren in their entirety, we're arguing with the way they were introduced.
    Big difference.

    *insert clever punt about childless insecurity something something you*
    a whole dungeon? try one boss. they werent trying to make the gnomes taurens and goblins ridiculous? really?

    you people consistently prove my point over and over again, your statements come from ignorance of both the present and the past
    "I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
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    Well I didn't find the game itself childish. I mean what's the problem with pandamen when you have cowmen, wolfmen, space-goatsquidman, ratman, hyenaman, fishman, etc. The only thing childish about it was the playerbase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    pokemon is the 2nd best selling video game series in the world and is played by people of all ages. it also has an incredibly complex meta game that requires more strategy then most heroic raids in wow.
    Thanks for proving my point.

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Durandro View Post
    But hey, its a case of 'bright on the outside, dark on the inside'. The ones calling it childish just show they only looked at MoP in the most superficial manner possible.
    Maybe that "dark on the inside" part would be better presented by, I dont know, actualy affecting the "bright on the outside" part.

    Take Valley of the Four Winds. Wasnt that whole place fertilized with that water from Eternal Blossoms? After the source was corrupted then what? Did those farmlands wither? No, everything was allright, NOTHING HAPPENED!

    We were presented these people that dont need to worry about anything, perfect setting for a downfall. We dont get that, no one suffers and if someone does, its remedied extremely quickly.
    The common man is like a worm in the gut of a corpse, trapped inside a prison of cold flesh, helpless and uncaring, unaware even of the inevitability of its own doom.

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchor View Post
    Thanks for proving my point.
    that you were wrong? have you ever played a pokemon game?

    if you want a perfect team in pokemon in order to battle competitively you need to grind more than anyone ever grinded in vanilla wow, and you need to strategize more than a hardcore raid leader

    you have to breed for the perfect nature, perfect ivs, (which you cant actually see by the way you have to find out a pokemons base stats then compare) you have to ev train it which until the most recent games was also something you couldnt actually see, you have to pick which item it will hold, you have to figure out which moves it will use and whether or not those moves will have a stab, whether or not it meshes well with the rest of the moves and ontop of that you have to do it again 5 more times in a way that meshes well with your team and strategy.

    all of which can take 100s of hours to accomplish
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    "I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
    "so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon

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  6. #186
    I find the pandaren childish, because I'm used to relate pandas to child stuff. Also they made them deliberately idiotic (my opinion) laughing like retards, fat and always talking about noodles. When they run and fight chunks of fat just swing around, which I find funny, but also not very pleasant for what I consider a serious MMO. It was not difficult at all to make them a bit more ferocious. Pandaria as a country I find too colorful, but this is very subjective.

    Also, half of the leveling experience in the expansion is centered around exterminating vermin, making beer and returning stolen carrots/turnips.

    Again, my opinion, not looking to get into a "Kung-Fu Panda" argument.
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  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    pokemon is the 2nd best selling video game series in the world and is played by people of all ages. it also has an incredibly complex meta game that requires more strategy then most heroic raids in wow.

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    a whole dungeon? try one boss. they werent trying to make the gnomes taurens and goblins ridiculous? really?

    you people consistently prove my point over and over again, your statements come from ignorance of both the present and the past
    One boss too many.
    Yes they weren't trying to make goblins and Tauren look ridiculous by NOT adding 5 silly references each race about the funny aspects of their look WHICH INSTEAD they DID do with pandaren.

    *insert clever shallow punt about past future and childhood traumas*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    that you were wrong? have you ever played a pokemon game?

    if you want a perfect team in pokemon in order to battle competitively you need to grind more than anyone ever grinded in vanilla wow, and you need to strategize more than a hardcore raid leader

    you have to breed for the perfect nature, perfect ivs, (which you cant actually see by the way you have to find out a pokemons base stats then compare) you have to ev train it which until the most recent games was also something you couldnt actually see, you have to pick which item it will hold, you have to figure out which moves it will use and whether or not those moves will have a stab, whether or not it meshes well with the rest of the moves and ontop of that you have to do it again 5 more times in a way that meshes well with your team and strategy.

    all of which can take 100s of hours to accomplish
    Apparently spending 100's of hours on something means its not childish.

  8. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    the truth is that they arent childish, you are just insecure
    Anyways...

    What I think many people need to realize is that childish is not a binary function of true or false. It's pieces relative to the whole. While WoW has always been childish, it has never been this childish. Of course you can go back and find a niche of silliness here and a niche of silliness there, but until MoP it would have been a strech to call the silliness prominent. In MOP I think there is a good case for it.

    All they really had to do was ground the same themes they did use in MoP to make Pandarea a bit more of a believable, realized world. I don't think they made that a high enough priority.

  9. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    Apparently spending 100's of hours on something means its not childish.
    if you think pokemon is childish you must think all turn based rpgs are childish or min maxing in wow is childish.
    "I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
    "so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon

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  10. #190
    Just compare it to TBC,WOTLK and even CATA,it just is childish,a lot of casual crap also.
    And i find it kinda funny that if WoD was instead MoP i would be actually playing WoW right now or if it was even any other expansion,but since its MoP my sub is canceled :/ its just boring and shallow IMO. And yes pandas did not help i really dont like how they look and their animations.

  11. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    if you think pokemon is childish you must think all turn based rpgs are childish or min maxing in wow is childish.
    You play as a kid that doesnt have to visit school, stomps on greatest criminal organisations in the world without getting shot at and manages to fulfill his dream of becoming the pokemon master.
    The common man is like a worm in the gut of a corpse, trapped inside a prison of cold flesh, helpless and uncaring, unaware even of the inevitability of its own doom.

  12. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    if you think pokemon is childish you must think all turn based rpgs are childish or min maxing in wow is childish.
    It's *sigh* it's not what you DO. It's about the style chosen for something.
    You can have the darkest story ever hidden under my little pony. You won't achieve what zul drak achieved. It'll just look weird, forced, misplaced. Like mop

  13. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by Verdugo View Post
    You play as a kid that doesnt have to visit school, stomps on greatest criminal organisations in the world without getting shot at and manages to fulfill his dream of becoming the pokemon master.
    being child friendly doesnt make something childish.

    and nobody plays pokemon for its storyline. its all about the gameplay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    It's *sigh* it's not what you DO. It's about the style chosen for something.
    You can have the darkest story ever hidden under my little pony. You won't achieve what zul drak achieved. It'll just look weird, forced, misplaced. Like mop
    again, you are probably the same kind of people that would say wind waker is childish despite the fact that its actually one of the deepest of all the zelda games despite its cuter artstyle
    "I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
    "so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon

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  14. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by Konker View Post
    Anyways...

    What I think many people need to realize is that childish is not a binary function of true or false. It's pieces relative to the whole. While WoW has always been childish, it has never been this childish. Of course you can go back and find a niche of silliness here and a niche of silliness there, but until MoP it would have been a strech to call the silliness prominent. In MOP I think there is a good case for it.

    All they really had to do was ground the same themes they did use in MoP to make Pandarea a bit more of a believable, realized world. I don't think they made that a high enough priority.
    That's true. It's all about balancing factors.
    I'd argue that it started in cata. Cata was...*gag*... was... *gag*.... atrocious under that aspect. Goblin starter zone was... I don't have word to describe it.
    They ruined azshara, and they managed me deleting my goblin rogue engineer which is the class I always waned to play since w2's goblin sappers.
    Yes the unbalance between childish references and immersion peaked in cata, and stayed constant in mop.
    I don't know about others, to me, it makes the game unplayable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    being child friendly doesnt make something childish.

    and nobody plays pokemon for its storyline. its all about the gameplay

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    again, you are probably the same kind of people that would say wind waker is childish despite the fact that its actually one of the deepest of all the zelda games despite its cuter artstyle
    Again, can you please counter the points instead of babbling in a language I don't even understand?
    Makes conversating tricky.

  15. #195
    Pandas look childish, the quests are childish, the themes and designs are childish, all in an effort to be "fun", ale-mentals, carrotstealing, rabbitmonsters, drunk, chubby pandas.

    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    being child friendly doesnt make something childish.

    and nobody plays pokemon for its storyline. its all about the gameplay

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    again, you are probably the same kind of people that would say wind waker is childish despite the fact that its actually one of the deepest of all the zelda games despite its cuter artstyle
    WOTLK, and TBC are considered child-friendly and are filled with horrible demons and undead killing indiscriminately in very horrible ways, quests, dungeons and raids are formed around this, I as a teenager was enamored, I would not have been, and was not as an adult enamored by pandaland, because it's childish and unfunny.
    Last edited by Shiny212; 2013-11-12 at 12:00 PM.

  16. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by Shiny212 View Post
    WOTLK, and TBC are considered child-friendly and are filled with horrible demons and undead killing indiscriminately in very horrible ways, quests, dungeons and raids are formed around this.
    mists of pandaria features insectoid worshippers of eldritch horrors, tyranical leaders, and desperate refugees who have lost their home killing and torturing people indiscriminately in very horrible ways, quests dungeons and raids are formed around this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djalil View Post
    Again, can you please counter the points instead of babbling in a language I don't even understand?
    Makes conversating tricky.
    ive countered everyones points multiple times. your "points" are based off ignorance and nostalgia.
    "I was a normal baby for 30 seconds, then ninjas stole my mamma" - Deadpool
    "so what do we do?" "well jack, you stand there and say 'gee rocket raccoon I'm so glad you brought that Unfeasibly large cannon with you..' and i go like this BRAKKA BRAKKA BRAKKA" - Rocket Raccoon

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  17. #197
    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    mists of pandaria features insectoid worshippers of eldritch horrors, tyranical leaders, and desperate refugees who have lost their home killing and torturing people indiscriminately in very horrible ways, quests dungeons and raids are formed around this.
    And all those are defeated with the power of friendship and positive emotions.
    The common man is like a worm in the gut of a corpse, trapped inside a prison of cold flesh, helpless and uncaring, unaware even of the inevitability of its own doom.

  18. #198
    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    mists of pandaria features insectoid worshippers of eldritch horrors, tyranical leaders, and desperate refugees who have lost their home killing and torturing people indiscriminately in very horrible ways, quests dungeons and raids are formed around this.
    Too bad it's nullified by having the heroes look like fat idiots. As are the so called horrors with an overload of unfunny jokes and silly parodies.

    And oh yeah, none of the terrible things actually did any damage to anything ever, because it was defeated immediately, another wonderful part of pandaland, evil can do you no harm as long as you drink and eat in harmony

  19. #199
    It merely -appeared- childish, but when the venom-esque monsters started popping up, mutating people into monstrous freaks and so on shit got dark pretty quickly. Which is fine by me, WoW is, like it or not, a typically light-hearted game with dark undertones and has been since classic.

  20. #200
    some people just hate pandas D:

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