We need a gap closer, not the pithy little "you can't slow me!" abilities. We must be able to get into range instead of just keeping ourselves from getting further behind while we're being kited. There is no alternative that solves the problem, and the problem must be solved if we are to be competitive.
Apparently, Storm plays "World of Duelcraft" vs Mages that start at 30 yards away all the time, while the rest of us play World of Warcraft. Teamwork and synergy go a long way in both BGs and Arenas.
apparently, lyese never played Ret in pvp on actually higher than 1500 ratings this season.
Or at all.
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Look at the way melee specs are placed in both arena and RBGs.
Do you not find it peculiar that the ones at the bottom are accidentally the ones without a proper gap closer?
Do you not sense a pattern here?
AoE blind - check
Single-target Stun - check
Double Freedom/Protection - check
Can spec into Repentance/Turn Evil (which btw is the biggest bullshit and was basically nerf for ret) - check
Can spec into Speed of Light/Long Arm of the Law/Pursuit of Justice - check
The only thing ret has that holy does not is improved Hand of Sacrifice, that removes magic debuffs - with 2min CD, but who needs that when holy has a simple 8sec CD dispell, right?
If you really want to get into higher-rated PvP, you basically need to be superior player to all those mages, rogues, hunters and warriors (who, in this season, were suddenly all blessed with incredible amount of skill thus their big leap in the ladders... loljk).
But not only you need to know your class. For example, you need to be a good leader, good target caller, have knowledge of enemy teams and suggest strategy against them and all sorts of stuff, simply because your class sucks and you need to compensate for that with something that others don't have, even if they got their bursts and controls, something that is not affected by blizz nerf-lever.
What ret lacks in the ability to slow or close a gap it makes up for with the ability to actually STAY on a target once there.
if you're sick play ret! if you're a coward play what you want
And you just can't compare PVP to dragonslaying, because, you know, fighting scripted dragons iz hard amirite?
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If closing the gap involves more than 2 button presses(and more than 2 abilities to do so) and more than 5 seconds worth of time, that's not a gap closer.
But again, I know you won't be happy unless you're given a big shiny button that lets you teleport and stick to your target like glue
Which does not change the fact that specs with no reliable gap closer are the bottom feeders.
But you can still claim I'm wrong when all the facts are proving me right.
Pve is just simpler than PVP.
You should try it for once and see the difference for yourself.
Especially if you somehow climb past 1500 in 3's.
Which I doubt you have the skill to.
If multiple tools fail, guess what?
You need to do something about it, either imrpove tools, or solve the case some other way around.
You might claim RET IS FINE SHUT UP FETH YOU like the champ you are.
Oh, I think I accidentally answered that already: it's baseless.
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For example, Sha of Pride requires a lot of movement for a successful kill. General Nazgrim you have to chase after adds as there are more of them in Heroic. Most of the fights require a lot of movement from players, and Paladins Hand of Freedom and Emancipate do nothing. The only mobility talents that actually increase mobility are Tier 15, and they're all terrible. It's really about choosing the talent that sucks the least.
As for PvP, the amount of spam slows that players put on you has made Emancipate useless. You're almost always better off using Freedom, and that's why Clemency is just a requirement for Ret in PvP. Mobility is just one of many reasons why Ret sucks in PvP, but I have gotten past 1500 this season and I can tell you that it sucks so badly that for the first time playing WoW I have given up on PvP. I have played since Vanilla, and Ret has never been that bad in PvP. PvE is a different story, but never that bad. Not even TBC was that bad.
Basically you all want to be warriors.
You've had your pummel interrupt ability, now you want charge.
Next you'll want our banners
Next you'll want to be able to dual wield 2h'ers
Just pick a class and be happy. Don't like it? Pick another class. Don't just whine to get your class every single ability from other classes, and remove the little class flavour that is still left.
Oh, and before someone quotes me and says 'we're not asking for every single ability, just a gap closer' know this. There will be a thread every patch/expansion asking for one more ability. Saw it with your rebuke - you guys begged on countless threads for this. It will never end, until you can do everything on your paladin.
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I imagine they can use the same abilities to close gaps that they use to outrun other melee for 10 minutes a time.
Apply blizzards model to any other subscription service,you'd be outraged:
Netflix adds no new movies for a year, you click a new movie, there's a $5 fee.
You're in an accident, click your onstar button, but there's an addition $20 fee for them to help.
You turn on your tv only to find all you get are the infomercial channels. Every other show is pay per view.
See how dumb that model is?
I kinda like that we dont have an instant gap closer. Makes positioning more valuable and makes a gap between smart and dumb players. Rather then giving Rets a gap closer, I would have more gap closers removed from other melee's. I love my class and spec, I do like having some weaknesses, as you have to think and play around it. Yes, to the people screaming that warriors does bigger numbers, they do not bring the same amount of utility as we do for the raid as we do. I do still see Paladins as a somewhat support class and Im fine with smaller numbers because of that. I love being able to save raidmembers or teammembers. I do not play Ret for smashing people in the head with a big mace. I would play a warrior in that case. I play Ret for being a knight of the light. Be proud, not some whiny kid who thinks the grass is greener on the other side.