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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Starfighter View Post
    QUests anymore aren't a limited amount of drops. If you're grouped with your friends, you all get the drop.
    Yes I alluded to this in my post, but I didnt think it was in place at the start of mop, I may well have been wrong about that, even so, no one really quests with friends while levelling because people are all at different levels at different points. I wouldn't question that MMOs are repetitive, but questing is the most repetitive and least social experience, and to most people its also just a means to get to the end game, outside of lore that is its only goal, its also not in any way challenging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElmoMcBeastly View Post
    If the game is going to grow, and be profitable, it must attract diverse interests. It must be, literally, all games to all people.
    Except you can't have your cake and eat it to. And that's what Blizzard is going to learn here shortly. WoW is not growing right now. And the numbers are proving that the more you try to move away from what the game was, the more people you lose. People seem to think that if the game is really easy, we're going to have 50 million ppl play. And with LFR, cake heroics, gear thrown at you, the game is not growing. The opposite is happening. Blizz should focus on nothing other than making the best mmorpg they can. If it's good, ppl will play. Nothing else matters. They need to stop overthinking the business part of it, and start overthinking the design.
    Perfect example of why "community" forums are poisonous to the health of a development team. These developers are wasting hundreds of hours trying to stem the tide of incessant bitchery that would never, ever abate so long as these entitled, unfortunate human beings don't get their way.

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    I think the problem is rather:
    There are enough content for players who are casuals but not particulary skilled in the game.
    Dunno I think there is plenty of content. What I am sure its that the good players get shited over the worse ones. Back in cata I pwned both pvp and pve, and each time I had even a minor complaint about someone slacking I would allways get the "stfu respones". In PvP the best players were allways shitted over with "rofl roll fotm for insta glad", yet every time I hear it its from a sub 2k player.

    The fact is that wow is a very unfriendly game for a good player since the game is filled with the worst players that have a false sense of accomplishment due to LFR and random bgs. Just try to talk about strategy in LFR and prepare to get a truck of shit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Last Starfighter View Post
    Except you can't have your cake and eat it to. And that's what Blizzard is going to learn here shortly. WoW is not growing right now.
    And it won't grow, anyone who expects it to grow outside of the usual new expansion spurt are deluded, slowing or stopping decline is the only thing blizzard can do now.

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    I think you are missing a major point here. The original audience grew up, when I started playing I was 18-19, I think, now I am 27.


    Back then I could just sit in WoW all days and nights long with little care in the world, because mommy and daddy were feeding me and I did not have to worry about anything much, except for getting attuned to raids. I also could just wipe for hours and days at C'thun and happily have 10 minute of running back to the boss chamber after each wipe for weeks.

    Now I am 27, I no longer have the luxury of sitting and grinding daily heroics or some other nonsense just to be able to raid. I have life, I need to earn cash, study, give attention and time to my girlfriend and in the not very far away future raise my own children.


    So yes, the times where I could sit and grind pixels just to get that key to whatever raid or work my ass off to get geared just to be able to see what the raid is are long gone. If this would still be relevant at this time, I would not play WoW.

    Am I the player that should have never been attracted to WoW? I don't think so, I simply grew up and my priorities changed. And I am not alone.

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    I see a problem with how Blizzard is running the game.

    Picture a gym. You have the long-term members that work out several times a week and eventually getting big and strong. Then you have the people who dont have time for the gym and maybe goes once a week.

    Here comes the problem though. Now the people who only goes once a week demand big muscles because they pay the same monthly membership as the bodybuilders. And now the gym surrenders, handing out steroids to all the people that aren't interested in putting in time and effort.

    If you dont have the time, you dont deserve the rewards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSrm View Post
    Those who recently started wow, are those people who happily welcome the idea of buying lvl 90 characters at real money store etc.
    I have played since Vanilla and I like the sound of buying 90's. Hmm. I have 10 already but still.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
    I think you are missing a major point here. The original audience grew up, when I started playing I was 18-19, I think, now I am 27.
    This point have absolutely zero to do with this thread.

    Players 'growing up' will account for why some players get bored of Wow, or grow out of Wow. But it has nothing to do with what the OP is pointing out... hes saying that too many players have come to Wow and are changing the game into a game they want. Hes making the specific point that they obviously are not fans of the RPG MMO Genre so why are they even playing Wow in the first place?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Acelius View Post
    I see a problem with how Blizzard is running the game.

    Picture a gym. You have the long-term members that work out several times a week and eventually getting big and strong. Then you have the people who dont have time for the gym and maybe goes once a week.

    Here comes the problem though. Now the people who only goes once a week demand big muscles because they pay the same monthly membership as the bodybuilders. And now the gym surrenders, handing out steroids to all the people that aren't interested in putting in time and effort.

    If you dont have the time, you dont deserve the rewards.
    This is probably the best analogy ive seen so far

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSrm View Post
    You can easily spot who is a new player (arrived in Cata or later) and who has been playing for a longer period, like started in vanilla-tbc, wotlk even, or even some mmo before wow.

    Those who recently started wow, are those people who happily welcome the idea of buying lvl 90 characters at real money store etc.
    Nooot really. Playing since Vanilla, I shudder at the thought of having to play through aaalll the areas again (especially Pandaria) for a new toon.

    After running around in that world for years with a dozen different characters.. yeah, no thanks. I don't want that anymore.
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    I am kind of liking the idea of being able to get to level 90 without that massive pain of leveling again. I have been playing MMorpgs since 1998 and when i started playing my first i must admit i did pay to boost one of my characters on that, just to help me out and it did i also tended to enjoy the game a lot more as i was not spending most of my time doing the same grind over and over. But like many others here i have been playing wow since the beta and the thought of having to level yet another character from 1-90 again kinda makes me sick. Also alot has changed since i started as most have said we have all grown up since those days, work, kids all take huge chunks out of gaming time so to enjoy the game properly i would myself like to dive rite in there. Just my opinion anyhow but i do think it would make life easier and more enjoyable. if you know the class then whats the issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninaran View Post
    Nooot really. Playing since Vanilla, I shudder at the thought of having to play through aaalll the areas again (especially Pandaria) for a new toon.

    After running around in that world for years with a dozen different characters.. yeah, no thanks. I don't want that anymore.
    Tbh 'as a vanilla player' Id like to see even more given to me, please give me shared secondary professions, I switched mains (and realms) and I really really do not want to to do archeology, fishing and cooking again.

  12. #332
    Hello everyone, my name is Lumicide. "Hello Lumicide." I've been playing WoW off and on since Vanilla, but I've been clean for about 9 months. ::audience claps::

    Now that we've gotten that worthless, "proof that my opinions actually carry some merit, because seniority", introduction out of the way. Let's get onto how I think.

    To those who say: "And it won't grow, anyone who expects it to grow outside of the usual new expansion spurt are deluded, slowing or stopping decline is the only thing blizzard can do now"

    I don't think it's delusional to think that it's 'possible' to grow WoW. Not with the way they're headed, no chance in hell; but it's certainly possible to get this train rolling again.

    It may require the use of "Crazy Ideas™"

    • Crazy idea #1: Convenience, who needs it? This stuff is all about avoiding human contact, in a genre were the social thing is pretty much its core feature. (i.e. LFD, LFR, Flex, X-Server gameplay, arguably even flying)
    • Crazy idea #2: Lean how to say "No." (i.e. "I want combat pet for my frost mage." "No."; "Hit/Exp/Block/Dodge/Parry aren't fun" "No"; "I didn't like what dropped, it was useless to us" "DE it (see: No)")
    • Crazy idea #3: Aggressive merging of servers, and faction quotas. Get stuff equal, and keep it there. ("But I like my dustbowl/overpopulated mess/My carebear 95:1 "PvP" server", "No.")
    • Crazy idea #4: Prune content. Vanilla, BC, WotLK, Cata, MoP, make so little sense the second a new expansion hits. This has to be kept up to date, interesting, 'and fun'. For both new 'and' old players.
    • Crazy idea #5: "I don't have the time" "Sorry" (see: No)*
    • Crazy idea #6: Convenience, we need it. Resil is just a stupid stat, look... I used to be pretty hardcore, but I was never hardcore enough to have sufficient PvP gear 'and' good PvE gear at the same time. This crap has to be balanced and usable for both arenas (no pun intended). Regents for spells? Damn am I glad that's gone.
    • Crazy idea #7: (///warning///crazy overload///warning///) Server wipes once every few-ish years, and full redo of 1-Max leveling content.**


    *Call me crazy, I'd rather not have the time for a great game, than have the time for a mediocre one.
    **As much as SW:TOR offered damn near nothing new, lvl 1-16 Sith Inquisitor was really quite enjoyable. Shame the more character oriented questing was just front-loaded content. The world story was just dull (and so were the "good guys" in general, no color).
    Last edited by Lumicide; 2013-11-18 at 03:53 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endemonadia View Post
    Players 'growing up' will account for why some players get bored of Wow, or grow out of Wow. But it has nothing to do with what the OP is pointing out... hes saying that too many players have come to Wow and are changing the game into a game they want.
    The realization that this happens all the time, and not just in video games, is a major milestone in growing up. As a kid I was told (by MTV themselves no less) to demand, "I want my MTV!" The day that Jesse Camp won the "Wanna be a VJ" contest I realized it was no longer my MTV. Now I don't think they even play music. Instead they have shows like, "Admire this Bad Teen Mom" and "Check Out These Spoiled Brats." I can't even sit through trailers for those shows on other channels, let along bring myself to actually switch my channel over to MTV. Sometimes we just have to accept that we've outgrown aspects of our life or even that they've outgrown us.

    Quote Originally Posted by Endemonadia View Post
    Hes making the specific point that they obviously are not fans of the RPG MMO Genre so why are they even playing Wow in the first place?
    RPG and MMO have many aspects to them. Most raiders I know don't role play. By your logic they are not fans and should quit. Obviously these players like something about the game or they wouldn't bother to request tweaks. Just because you don't like others' preferences doesn't give you the right, let alone the ability, to keep them out of "your" game. If you're not a fan of the game as Blizzard has currently implemented it you're free to leave. Ironically the group of players I see arguing against LFR the most on this forum (i.e. raiders) are the ones who were catered to the most in this expansion. There's just no pleasing some people.
    Quote Originally Posted by CandyCotton Marshmallows View Post
    People need to get over the gear color (and themselves). It doesn't matter, and it shouldn't matter what other players have either. Worry about your damn self. Live your life by that. If you want to concern yourself with someone else, then worry about HELPING them, not putting them down or making sure you stand out as better than them.
    Maybe the game would be better with more low DPS nice guys and fewer high DPS jerks? -- Ghostcrawler, Twitter, 6/29/13

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronduwil View Post
    The realization that this happens all the time, and not just in video games, is a major milestone in growing up. As a kid I was told (by MTV themselves no less) to demand, "I want my MTV!" The day that Jesse Camp won the "Wanna be a VJ" contest I realized it was no longer my MTV. Now I don't think they even play music. Instead they have shows like, "Admire this Bad Teen Mom" and "Check Out These Spoiled Brats." I can't even sit through trailers for those shows on other channels, let along bring myself to actually switch my channel over to MTV. Sometimes we just have to accept that we've outgrown aspects of our life or even that they've outgrown us.


    RPG and MMO have many aspects to them. Most raiders I know don't role play. By your logic they are not fans and should quit. Obviously these players like something about the game or they wouldn't bother to request tweaks. Just because you don't like others' preferences doesn't give you the right, let alone the ability, to keep them out of "your" game. If you're not a fan of the game as Blizzard has currently implemented it you're free to leave. Ironically the group of players I see arguing against LFR the most on this forum (i.e. raiders) are the ones who were catered to the most in this expansion. There's just no pleasing some people.
    A nice dose of reality here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by draykorinee View Post
    And it won't grow, anyone who expects it to grow outside of the usual new expansion spurt are deluded, slowing or stopping decline is the only thing blizzard can do now.
    so it goes, so it goes...

    and is this not the fate all things that live, grow old and die?

    WoW is like 60 years old in video-game years, it's all down hill at this age, if it can make it 100 video-game years of age its birthdays will be announced on NBC morning news.
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