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    WHY is Dual-Wielding not viable at all for Death Knights?

    I really, really, really miss dual-wielding on my Death Knight. He's been my main since Wrath launched and I've led DPS charts and been an OT bouncing between DPS and Tank specs since then.

    Do you guys know if Blizzard ever plans on making Dual-Wielding actually a good option for either tanking or DPS?

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    DW frost is, overall, the strongest DK DPS spec right now so I have no idea what you are talking about.

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    Really? I just came back since 5.3.....what changes were made to make it viable since then?

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    Outside of a few minor damage buffs frost is largely unchanged.

    The real change is unholy festerblight no longer being ridiculously dominant, because of nerfs to trinkets and diseases no longer benefiting from tricks.

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    According to this they seem about equal. No idea how reliable Noxxic is though
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    according to simcraft, frost 2H would do 229574, while Frost DW would do 229516 (58 DPS less), so i really don't know where you got the idea that DW is not viable at all.
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    I could throw a shoe out of my window and hit a more reliable source than noxxic.

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    I could throw a shoe out of my window and hit a more reliable source than noxxic.
    Yes, please stop using Noxxic as a source for anything or at least dk info. To the OP, DW is definitely completely viable and as others have stated, the strongest dk dps spec this tier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CogDk View Post
    Yes, please stop using Noxxic as a source for anything or at least dk info. To the OP, DW is definitely completely viable and as others have stated, the strongest dk dps spec this tier.
    Thank you guys, I had no idea they made this change. Im gonna work on getting a pair of weapons right now.
    Is it viable for tanking like it used to be, though?

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    Bosses aren't going to laugh as they one shot you just because you equipped one handers as a tank, but it's worse than using a two hander.

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    DW frost the spec to play as frost ATM but Unholy and 2H are really really close. For tanking... yeah just forget about DW tanking they haven't let us in a long time and I highly doubt they plan on changing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Negative View Post
    DW frost the spec to play as frost ATM but Unholy and 2H are really really close. For tanking... yeah just forget about DW tanking they haven't let us in a long time and I highly doubt they plan on changing it.
    That hurts a lot to know that :l

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulrender View Post
    Is it viable for tanking like it used to be, though?
    No DW is only for DPS and probably will be forever.

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    DW Frost is only viable because of Threat of Thassaurian. If they ever make that spec-wide then DW will become an option for all the specs again. Until then it will be a dps loss to switch from 2h to DW unless you have a major lvl discrepancy between your 2h and the MH you would use.

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    I'm certain if he were here, Mendenbarr could slap some sense into you RE dual-wield's viability in raid settings because he does it consistently and it's never been what you're trying to say - it was perfectly usable and competitive from Wrath to date; even in Throne of Thunder during the age of Festerblight Unholy.

    If anything, 2H frost has been more of a left-out bastard child among the specs and dual-wield specs tend to always out-scale 2H specs and thus do quite well by mid-late expansion time; the only time DW might have been the bottom of the barrel (this expansion) would've been in T14 when everyone was working at 489-502 gear.

    Dual-wield tanking on the other hand was needfully squelched long ago and has no business returning, given the way it'd muck up the careful balance we have for blood.

    That said, now that hit/exp are gone and bosses have only a flat 3% parry chance from the front, DW tanking has one less obstacle in its way if they were interested in bringing it back but I think it's so niche that it wouldn't get any sort of priority (especially given that there are greater issues with the class out there and they've made it quite clear that abundant class changes aren't coming in WoD)

    Either way, DW has never been not viable for raiding play since they introduced Threat of Thassarian and made some minor changes and it's certainly been quite fine since Cataclysm. It's easily the strongest simming spec right now in BiS gear if you want to check the Acherus chat or Mendenbarr's Frost thread on EJ.
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