Never had this happen before:
Has this happened to anyone else?
Never had this happen before:
Has this happened to anyone else?
void shift should never bring anyone under 25% hp and you could have taken dmg right at the moment you shifted, kor krons dmg could have had a delay when it dealt the damage
Last edited by fail; 2013-11-16 at 03:33 AM.
At the time I had 788,880 hp.
I cast Void Shift, while it was traveling I took 210,640 damage, which was 27% of my health.
So then I took the 591,660 (75% of my health since I was full health) from Void Shift, for a total of 802,300 and died. Not sure why overkill didn't show, but I'm pretty sure that's what happened.
Its server lag that killed you, not void shift.
I'm guessing you sit somewhere 255ms server based on the timestamps.
The add hit you at 23:17:20:244
You cast void shift at 23:17:20:311
Your client recieved the notification that you got hit by the add at 23:17:20:499
The server received your request to void shift at 23:17:20:566 (It's likely during this request that it does the check to see if you've got enough health, which based on the health your client reported to the server, you would've been fine, So it approved the full hit/heal)
Then you received the hit from voidshift at 23:17:20:821
No I've had it glitch too. I've even had it kill me and my target simultaneously a couple times which is wsird.
I've had this happen quite a few times (23~ MS the majority of the time). It kinda puts me off using it. ^^
I'm guessing it was a lag spike of some sort.
As far as timestamps go
The logs show you casting the void shift at 461, directly following your smite, Yet both the heal from smite and dmg/heal from Void Shift happened at 821. That's a 360ms delay (for the travel both ways). Implying that your MS to the server was at the very least, half of that. Or 180ms (It was like 6AM when I responded to this initially and I've closed all the tabs I was using when I figured it out, So I don't recall exactly where my 255/510ms comment came from, Was likely looking at some of the delay on the earlier abilities)
Regardless, a 180ms delay on abilities implies something was going very wrong with your connection based on the standard <20ms you mentiond.
Edit, I see it now.
One of your earlier atonements in the log at 17.646 had its atonement hit at 18.400. Almost a 754ms gap. Looking at my own logs I see a delay between expected hit/heal on atonement about 250ms past my own standard delay. Likely time taken by the server to calculate the smart heal.
Honestly not sure how much of this is affected by the whole healing lag from aoe/smart heals that a lot of guilds have been complaining about. I've heard its significantly worse in 25's, so that may affect it too.
I'm very hesitant to think ms works that way in logs.
Here's a log of me in Shrine just now. http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/t...3D+%22Music%22
My ms is at 22 and has been stable at that the entire day.
Looking through anyone's logs there are lots of events that fire off in the same millisecond almost constantly. There's also a large delay on atonement regardless of the player. Go take a look through some logs and you'll find the same thing happening.
I think it's hard to tell what exactly happened based on what I've stated/linked above.
Happening at the same time yes, Usually when you finish a cast with an instant cast. Eg Smite into PWS. Theyll both show as happening at the same time. The server lag comes into play when you look at the time the ability finished and when the effect happened.
The logs will show,
Started casting "Heal"
Expected cast duration
Casted "Heal" on "Target"
Casted "Instant Cast Heal"
"Heal" hit "Target" for "Amount"
"Instant Cast Heal" hit "Target" for "Amount"
Both casts and both hits will generally have the same timestamp on your own combat log.
And yes, I mentioned that the delay on atonement may have to do with healing lag, On my own logs I was seeing shorter delay and I run between 90-150ms depending on which connection I'm on. But it was still approximately double my own server ms plus 250. Keep in mind I also run 10 man, So the healing lag may affect you much more severely.
Do you happen to have a WoL copy of that void shift death btw? I'm curious how much the timing would change if seen from someone elses point of view.
I was talking about other people's events happening at the exact same time as mine, and the initial combat log link was from our tank's logs. Our logs are private for now, so I can't really link them to you.
My own logs:Also cast a Void Shift in Shrine and the heal and damage hit at the exact same time multiple times.[22:17:23.299] Music casts Smite on Garrosh Hellscream
[22:17:23.328] Music casts Void Shift on Einstean
[22:17:23.713] Music Smite Garrosh Hellscream 72072
[22:17:23.713] Music Void Shift Einstean +747232 (O: 0, O: 75637)
[22:17:23.713] Music Void Shift Music 591660
Looking at your logs I see a delays of up to 800ms if not more: IJ kill
[21:32:06.713] Nestar casts Smite on Iron Juggernaut
[21:32:06.961] Nestar Holy Fire Iron Juggernaut 1895
[21:32:07.031] Nestar Smite Iron Juggernaut 59439
[21:32:07.457] Nestar Atonement Rikkuz +2071 (O: 0)
[21:32:07.820] Nestar Holy Fire Iron Juggernaut *4547*
[21:32:07.842] Nestar Atonement Rikkuz +39487 (O: 0, O: 25476)
and ya, the copy of my own logs there, that was an exceptionally laggy day for me. So I wouldve been sitting around 150ms world, Which in theory it should be 260ms longer than your own delay
Another IJ 10/29
Yet another IJ from 10/22[20:13:56.331] Nestar Smite Iron Juggernaut *97001*
[20:13:56.959] Nestar Penance Iron Juggernaut 63936
[20:13:56.978] Nestar casts Penance
[20:13:57.137] Nestar Atonement Rikkuz +*28313* (O: 0, O: 23910)
[20:13:57.523] Nestar Atonement Mognovox +19188 (O: 0, O: 49656)
Unless you happen to get extremely laggy on IJ every week, I don't know what to tell ya.[20:07:50.073] Nestar casts Smite on Iron Juggernaut
[20:07:50.255] Nestar casts Penance
[20:07:50.478] Nestar Smite Iron Juggernaut 47172
[20:07:51.140] Nestar casts Penance
[20:07:51.168] Nestar Penance Iron Juggernaut 62141
[20:07:51.222] Nestar Atonement Xuen +50073 (O: 0)
[20:07:51.638] Nestar Atonement Rikkuz +65963 (O: 0)
As you probably noticed already IJ is about the only fight I regularly heal
Just to clarify a bit of my math here, maybe deal with some of the confusion.
I'm assuming any heal/damage that occurs requires both a request to the server (world ms) and back from the server (home ms). Usually these should be about the same. For myself being at 90 best case, 150 worst. I would expect a delay of approx 180-300ms between the lines "casts on target" and "heal/dmg" I am seeing the strange counts on atonement as well. Looking at the same fight as the one you just linked from me but at a flash heal I've got a
[20:12:30.815]Nestar begins to cast Flash Heal
[20:12:32.105] Nestar casts Flash Heal on Mognovox
[20:12:32.375] Nestar Flash Heal Mognovox +*133822* (O: 0)
A gap of 270ms
Looking quickly it is likely travel time. VS is technically a missile.
- - - Updated - - -
Looking closely, thats exactly what happened.
461 - Void Shift cast (and health amounts to be transferred calculated)
499 - You're hit by the Warbringer
821 - VS Missile hits your Monk/you and you take transfered VS damage at original calculation.
Its server side latency (as small as it may be) added to the VS travel time. Bad luck on the swing from the Warbringer during that ~360ms window.
Last edited by derevka; 2013-11-17 at 04:08 PM.
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