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  1. #161
    I love how people say "Vol'jin's done nothing as warchief" when he JUST got the title, lore-wise. We haven't even seen him on the throne. Game wise, Garrosh is still the damn warchief and the chapter has not yet closed.

    It's also ridiculous to say that Vol'jin, because he's not orc, has no part to play in the WoD storyline. Varian's not an orc. Think he's got a part to play in the storyline? But in the end, even if he doesn't go to Draenor, and he stays in Org, so what? He has a MASSIVE job to do: repairing the Horde. He has to get the races of the Horde re-unified. He has to repair and restore Orgrimmar. He has to rout the traitorous orcs left from Garrosh's influence. He has to maintain the Horde's military holdings in the face of Alliance superiority. Just because he's not on the front line of combat does not mean he's doing nothing.

    We have not even seen the story yet. Maybe it'd be best to not speculate.
    Last edited by Daetola; 2013-12-21 at 04:03 PM.

  2. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Armodullahan View Post
    I don't know about this, but, Vol'jin hates Garrosh more than we do, and I think Vol'jin will finally kill Garrosh in this expansion haha
    Sorry but that's not going to happen, Blizzard already said that Garrosh will get a satisfying end and getting killed by Vol'jin doesn't sound satisfying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daetola View Post
    I love how people say "Vol'jin's done nothing as warchief" when he JUST got the title, lore-wise.
    The problem with Vol'jin is... he hasn't even done anything BEFORE he became Warchief either. Garrosh was 100% right in the pre-Cataclysm event, while he was leading the assault on the Lich King what did Vol'jin do? Nothing. What did Vol'jin do in the Battle for the Undercity? Nothing. Vol'jin always just sits there and talks, he doesn't do shit. He's a lame excuse for a Warchief.

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    Lor'Themar should be warchief... unless he comes with us in patch 6.1 (how ironic ) to Netherstorm, or pre-netherstorm, seeing how Kael'thalas had a huge connection to it and he was also a blood elf.

  4. #164
    Quote Originally Posted by StationaryHawk View Post
    I guess if you want to ignore every case of anyone other than Varian/Anduin doing anything, then you're right.
    Repeating this because emphasis is needed: When did a racial leader besides Varian do more than appear for a few seconds walking around during the entitirety of Mists? Tyrande appeared standing next to Varian arguing in a scenario. Moira got her debut... end of list.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    The problem with Vol'jin is... he hasn't even done anything BEFORE he became Warchief either. Garrosh was 100% right in the pre-Cataclysm event, while he was leading the assault on the Lich King what did Vol'jin do? Nothing. What did Vol'jin do in the Battle for the Undercity? Nothing. Vol'jin always just sits there and talks, he doesn't do shit. He's a lame excuse for a Warchief.
    Watch the "coronation" cinematic again. Thrall said what he did and you can go back and check it yourself. Vol'jin lead the revolution to keep the Horde united as they cast out Garrosh's loyalists. If he had died in that cave, Sylvanas, the Blood Elves and the Tauren would have just been disconnected and there would be no Horde. Neutral Bilgewater would have just been the status quo, again.
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  5. #165
    Im sure this gonna happen:

    Voljin: we must stop garrosh again mon.

    Thrall: let me go, they are my people, blablabla orc things, my father, etc etc.

    Voljin: ok mon.

    So we have Voljin in this place doing things, and Thrall in other place doing other things. Or maybe no one doing things.

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    is there any place i can get all novels together?! cant find on google

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    The problem with Vol'jin is... he hasn't even done anything BEFORE he became Warchief either. Garrosh was 100% right in the pre-Cataclysm event, while he was leading the assault on the Lich King what did Vol'jin do? Nothing. What did Vol'jin do in the Battle for the Undercity? Nothing. Vol'jin always just sits there and talks, he doesn't do shit. He's a lame excuse for a Warchief.
    How about staging the revolution against Garrosh?

    Also, Vol'jin was fighting in the Pre-Cata Elemental Invasion event in Orgrimmar.

  8. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    Sorry but that's not going to happen, Blizzard already said that Garrosh will get a satisfying end and getting killed by Vol'jin doesn't sound satisfying.

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    The problem with Vol'jin is... he hasn't even done anything BEFORE he became Warchief either. Garrosh was 100% right in the pre-Cataclysm event, while he was leading the assault on the Lich King what did Vol'jin do? Nothing. What did Vol'jin do in the Battle for the Undercity? Nothing. Vol'jin always just sits there and talks, he doesn't do shit. He's a lame excuse for a Warchief.
    He was the one who planned the siege of the Undercity, lorewise and lorewise he was the first to get there and start fighting with forces before Thrall and Sylvanas arrived. Blizzard decided to have him (Valeera and Broll for alliance) wait outside for whatever reason, who knows.

    He successfully reclaimed the Echo Isles against deserters, more than can be said for others. Then he defended the island against the Sea Witch Zar'Jira who was considered a 'goddess' by the "oldworld minions"

    He defended Orgrimmar's Valley of Spirits from the Elemental Invasion.

    He chose to side with the Horde rather than the Zandalari, and united the factions against them. He worked personally with military commander Halduron Brightwind and Vereesa Windrunner against the Amani, bringing his personal forces the "Siame-Quashi" to contain the Amani Empire within Zul'Aman, he then leaves part of the forces there with Halduron and Vereesa's forces, and takes the rest to contain the Gurubashi within Zul'Gurub with the help of the goblins of Booty Bay.

    He was among the 33 who defended Shado-Pan Monastery from an army of Mogu and Zandalari in his book.

    He contacted Lor'Themar and Sylvanas to begin preparing for Rebellion, possibly contacted Gallywix as well. He returned and began facing Garrosh's Kor'Kron by defending Sen'jin village then attacking Razor Hill. He made contact with Baine and forces of the Alliance to prepare for the Siege of Orgrimmar, now in full rebellion.

    He proceeded to secure the vast majority of Durotar and held the gates until players arrived to aid with the Iron Juggernaut, before proceeding in to aid with the fight. He tasked the players with heading towards the Underhold and Thrall/Garrosh while him and Baine secured the rest of Orgrimmar (likely with the rest of the Horde and the Alliance)

    He's done plenty, it just doesn't seem that way because Blizzard prefers to show Humans and Orcs more than any other.

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    i somehow like how everyone hates @ Voljin, they literally got TROLLED

  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by Mithistormer View Post
    He was the one who planned the siege of the Undercity, lorewise and lorewise he was the first to get there and start fighting with forces before Thrall and Sylvanas arrived. Blizzard decided to have him (Valeera and Broll for alliance) wait outside for whatever reason, who knows.

    He successfully reclaimed the Echo Isles against deserters, more than can be said for others. Then he defended the island against the Sea Witch Zar'Jira who was considered a 'goddess' by the "oldworld minions"

    He defended Orgrimmar's Valley of Spirits from the Elemental Invasion.

    He chose to side with the Horde rather than the Zandalari, and united the factions against them. He worked personally with military commander Halduron Brightwind and Vereesa Windrunner against the Amani, bringing his personal forces the "Siame-Quashi" to contain the Amani Empire within Zul'Aman, he then leaves part of the forces there with Halduron and Vereesa's forces, and takes the rest to contain the Gurubashi within Zul'Gurub with the help of the goblins of Booty Bay.

    He was among the 33 who defended Shado-Pan Monastery from an army of Mogu and Zandalari in his book.

    He contacted Lor'Themar and Sylvanas to begin preparing for Rebellion, possibly contacted Gallywix as well. He returned and began facing Garrosh's Kor'Kron by defending Sen'jin village then attacking Razor Hill. He made contact with Baine and forces of the Alliance to prepare for the Siege of Orgrimmar, now in full rebellion.

    He proceeded to secure the vast majority of Durotar and held the gates until players arrived to aid with the Iron Juggernaut, before proceeding in to aid with the fight. He tasked the players with heading towards the Underhold and Thrall/Garrosh while him and Baine secured the rest of Orgrimmar (likely with the rest of the Horde and the Alliance)

    He's done plenty, it just doesn't seem that way because Blizzard prefers to show Humans and Orcs more than any other.
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  11. #171
    Warchief is a title that is deeply rooted in orcish history and no orc should ever accept Vol'jin as their leader. Thrall continues to disgrace his own people and heritage and needs to be banished with Garrosh for it.

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Abstieg View Post
    Often those who are most hesitant to lead are those who use their powers most effectively.
    Read "Shadows of the Horde". It explains why this answer is this most accurate

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Zylos View Post
    Warchief is a title that is deeply rooted in orcish history and no orc should ever accept Vol'jin as their leader. Thrall continues to disgrace his own people and heritage and needs to be banished with Garrosh for it.
    Technically anyone can become Warchief of the Horde because of the "laws" that the Horde has.

    The Mak'gora is a duel of honor, a challenge for leadership of the Horde, and possibly to the individual clans.

    Cairne could have been the Warchief if he would have defeated Garrosh.

    As for the case of Vol'jin. The current Warchief can choose his successor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomination View Post
    Technically anyone can become Warchief of the Horde because of the "laws" that the Horde has.

    The Mak'gora is a duel of honor, a challenge for leadership of the Horde, and possibly to the individual clans.

    Cairne could have been the Warchief if he would have defeated Garrosh.

    As for the case of Vol'jin. The current Warchief can choose his successor.
    For some reason I thought hat was a tauren thing. I wonder what would have happened if Cairne would have been the warchief, how things could have changed,,,
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  15. #175
    Hopefully he dies in the opening cutscene and gets replaced by someone good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apepi View Post
    For some reason I thought hat was a tauren thing. I wonder what would have happened if Cairne would have been the warchief, how things could have changed,,,
    Silverwing Refuge would never have been butchered and in turn Taurajo may never have been bombed, either.
    Enjoyed Draenor questing. If you ignore the end of Nagrand, it's almost as good as 5.0.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Hardstyler01 View Post
    The problem with Vol'jin is... he hasn't even done anything BEFORE he became Warchief either. Garrosh was 100% right in the pre-Cataclysm event, while he was leading the assault on the Lich King what did Vol'jin do? Nothing. What did Vol'jin do in the Battle for the Undercity? Nothing. Vol'jin always just sits there and talks, he doesn't do shit. He's a lame excuse for a Warchief.
    I was in Northrend sonny, the only reason the Horde Offensive got any further than Borean Tundra was because Saurfang went around cleaning up after Garrosh and wiping the drool off his chin. But of course, Garrosh got all the credit...
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  18. #178
    I wonder what will happen to the Dragonmaw and Blackrock orcs after SoO. Vol'jin will probably kick them out of the Horde? Or they'll leave on their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stomination View Post
    Technically anyone can become Warchief of the Horde because of the "laws" that the Horde has.

    The Mak'gora is a duel of honor, a challenge for leadership of the Horde, and possibly to the individual clans.

    Cairne could have been the Warchief if he would have defeated Garrosh.

    As for the case of Vol'jin. The current Warchief can choose his successor.
    This begs the question: Why didn't Vol'jin challenge Garrosh to Mak'gora instead of costing the lives of thousands of soldiers in a rebellion that crippled the Horde?

  20. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by jcf190 View Post
    This begs the question: Why didn't Vol'jin challenge Garrosh to Mak'gora instead of costing the lives of thousands of soldiers in a rebellion that crippled the Horde?
    Probably because Vol'jin knows he's no match for Garrosh in a straight up one on one fight. Cairne was, and probably would have won had it not been for Magatha.

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