its all a matter of luck.
when downfall opened on lfr i went there to take a look on how lfr was doing and the group killed garrosh on 1st try.
it felt so good that i never did lfr again
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Did a LFR last night, wiped 5 times on immerseus and that was several ninja pulls and others were just bad. The trio were fine, one shot. Norushen we wiped twice and then got it. Sha we wiped 4 times and then there were 2 more ninja pulls. Took close to 2 hours.
I find it very hard to believe, in the first week of LFR my very first grp just steamrolled thru it...I really think you are exaggerating
And even if its not, Then you stay in the group and build up stacks of Determination which the whole group gets.
what amazes me is how some people can pull 200k+ dps but then fail at mechanics... a rogue at sha of fear boss died while doing like 226k dps ... I have no idea how he managed to get himself killed ... he just nuked the boss... didn't even go to kill the little sha's
The thing about LFR is that because of the large number of participants, the statistical distribution of players becomes fairly predictable and stays within a certain range with a fairly low probability of falling out of that range. In English, the chances of getting a group good enough to clear with only a few wipes in the whole run is pretty good. Occasionally you'll get a group that 1 shots every boss, and occasionally you'll a group that really struggles.
That being said, from an individual's perspective, you can expect the other 24 raiders to be roughly equal each time you go to LFR. If you are, on average, having worse "luck" in LFR than some other random person, odds are the difference is you.
Crazy as this sounds, it has statistical merit, and matches my experience. It doesn't take much to beat LFR, and often 1 good player is all that stands between success and failure. This doesn't mean that 1 good player is all that is needed. Every LFR needs a few decent players to succeed. But when a fight needs only 5 competent players to beat it, if you are a good player, then you're going to need only 4 good players among those other 24 which is 20% less than the 5 that some other random bad is hoping for in his group.
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I have been in a group with 7 stacks before on my shaman healer. It was spoils and our dps/tanks were not very good. Explained the fight in detail about it but in the end we replaced one of the tanks and a lot of the dps.
Also had to inform the healers if they had those bombs not to run around with them on their heads as you get 3 bombs I think and they had all 3 of them blow up on top of them instead of laying them on the ground somewhere.
Usually my lfr groups don't pass 2-3 stacks even on the first week of the lfr coming out, including Garrosh. Doing this in a premade of even 1 friend can help a lot. I usually end up carrying dps or tanking depending on the role I fill.
I don't believe the nerfs make it so lfr ppl can be more lazy. Those fail lazy lfr ppl will still do the samething whether it was easier or harder in lfr. You will be surprised how telling people what to do in a few simple lines can do for you. Takes a little bit of raid leading to not fail.
Just when I thought I was out....LFR pulled me back :-)
I don't know if it's stupidity or laziness but from some of the responses I've seen in LFR I'm not surprised that there is alot of wipes. Examples:
"You want me to move or dps"
"Didn't know I had that spell"
"Relax I was watching TV"
"Healers sucks" (player was standing in fire the entire time)
"There was no skull so I didn't dps"
..:: Lvl 90's: 56 ::..
done lfr 2-3 times now - got to last 2 bosses b4 i had to leave but had almost no wipes - wiped once on nazorim coz ppl forgot to kill the last set of adds and went to boss but apart from that its pretty much a straight run
Never ever had this problem in LFR actually, but then again I always try to take the lead and actually make prepulls countdowns and try to guide people :/ always max 1 wipe maybe 2-3 wipes on Garrosh. Hope you have better luck next time.
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I'm wondering if OP at any point made any effort to stand up and lead the raid.
"Oh LFR scrubs never know what to do!"
...so, lead them? I find if even *one* person leads the raid, I rarely wipe in LFR.
So now ppl will start whinnie to blizz to nerf SoO for fast kills, please learn to play and not going in SoO with 450 weapon and low gear, if ppl start think about it or start kick those have low gear and special tanks, runs will be better and not a wipe fest.
On the other hand all that is Blizzard fault, by trying to keep more ppl in the game he creates many casual players who the only think they want is a fast loot because nice item lvl is attractive, doesnt matter if they not worth it for that.