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  1. #81
    Quote Originally Posted by usiris View Post
    I can distinctively remember logging into westfall on my first toon the day they did the talent reset for the pre bc patch and wondering why pyroblast wasnt on my bars....then getting killed >9000 times by doomlord after I went back to SW.




    Most of us? How about you dont try and speak for people you dont know.
    I was referring to my friends and the people I play with that are un subbing. Jerk.

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    I never played with a large group of people, but only one other person gets on from time to time. I keep trudging along in my transmogged Tier 4 Cyclone set, stuck in the past.

    The game changed too much for a lot of them. Some got burnt out. Even though I take breaks for months at a time, I keep coming back.

    Hell, when I was a little kid, I dreamed about living in a fantasy world, going on adventures, I can't help but get drawn back.

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    i think most of the old players have quit, well atleast 99% of my friends from vanilla/tbc. still 1 left and he hasnt really been online much lately

  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Rivyr View Post
    Could not have said it better my self.

    I imagine this is what an immortal must feel like, to be a relic of an age long gone, to remember your friends and moments from the past and the fun times you had but then to look out at the world around you and see something that shares similarities but is vastly different from the world you grew up in.

    kinda exciting in a way and at other times a bit lonely feeling. In the last few guilds I have been a part of, I have been the longest playing player and people even doubt me sometimes.
    I think it's that loneliness (along with increasing rl obligations) that ended up driving me away from WoW. When everyone that you enjoyed playing with is gone, what then?

    Also, I just remembered World Chat was a thing. That was a clusterf***. That and Barrens chat. Oh Barrens chat.

  5. #85
    Quote Originally Posted by Sturmbringe View Post
    I started in December 2005 and I have quit since 2012. Everybody I have known from 2-3 guilds have quit too. I see some of them on Skype from time to time. Ad Memoriam:

    Every single person from this 25 man raid guild of 2008 have quit too, most during Catafail. I sincerely doubt there's even 20% of the original fanbase left. What few veteran players were left probably quit during the course of World of Kung Fu Pandas/Pokemon.
    So you are saying you are a TBC baby? n00b

    I have seen a lot quit over the years since I first started playing in Dec 04. But then again, I still have people in my friends list that I see online today that I first raided MC and BWL with. Either way, as long as they don't make the Alliance do any more with Orc Jesus, I will still probably be playing come the 10th Anniversary.
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  6. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by Alternategray View Post
    I don't get it. I really don't. How are current dungeons fun or interesting in any way? How?! It's just a loot machine. Fun is when you accidentally pull a second group and it's a whirlwind of chaos trying to protect the healer while the tank tries to regain control and the hunter is trapping things while you fear a mob off another dps and break the fear with a searing flame before it can pull a third pack and somehow at the end of the madness there's two or three of you still standing because your group managed to down both (!) packs against all odds. And you managed it because you used your abilities creatively and on the fly, not because you eeked out an extra 1.34% dps using the same abilities over and over and over. I miss old dungeons; dangerous dungeons. There's no real reward without the danger of failure.
    Remember running shattered halls?:-) Most of those i met in early cata, in stonecore, did not B-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by fangless View Post
    You can tell they are by the overwhelming mentality that exists nowadays.
    Not true. I have played non-stop since Day One of Vanilla and I am all for the quality of life changes, and the streamlining of play.
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  8. #88
    Classic player here, although I quit the game around a year ago now. I just couldn't stand the way MOP was, not to mention almost all my friends had quit too. Those few who stayed behind ended up quitting after a while.

    I'm planning to return when WoD hits live for two reasons. First one being that the old gang I used to play with is getting back together. Second would be the upcoming PvP changes, I'm really looking forward to those. Though I have to say, it feels like WoW is being marketed towards 'FaceBook gamers' nowadays.

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    Seems like not many old timers run guilds, as it seems guilds have lost all heir meaning, beyond hosting raid teams.

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    From my list of 60 vanila friends .... only 1 stil plays wow on another server. So its kinda...vanila mass quit for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deruyter View Post
    Just something I wondered lately.

    I notice so many completely new players around me that I wonder if newer generations have taken over the torch from the "Original players" that started in the early years. And by new player I mean players that started in MoP and to a lesser extend in Cataclysm.

    What do you guys think? Do you experience something simular?

    P.s. please dont make this about what group is better etc., just focus on the main question
    It's hard to really say, I suppose, because it's hard to decide on what new really is. For many, the term "Wrath Baby" accurately conveys what's new because that was (to some) the expansion that brought in all the casuals and showered them with gear. The reality is quite different, but that's how the story goes.

    By that rationale, anyone who played in vanilla or TBC is pretty old school and they are, most certainly, in the minority these days. How big that minority really is would be tough to gauge.

    Quote Originally Posted by Whidbey View Post
    Seems like not many old timers run guilds, as it seems guilds have lost all heir meaning, beyond hosting raid teams.
    Would you mind elaborating why you think that is? I’ve been recently starting to think what guilds fundamentally are recently, and I’m interested in what you think.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fencers View Post
    Well, it is possible for people, many people actually, to not think very highly of World of Warcraft. Those self same people may even consider other games in the genre superior due to their own subjective qualifiers. Qualifiers which are just as valid as the subjective qualifiers of those whom believe World of Warcraft is a "23 out of 10".

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    Probably... WoW had its biggest periods of growth from The Burning Crusade through to the launch of Cataclysm, so even by that time the people who had started in Classic would likely have been in the minority, right?

    The people who started in Classic and are still playing are also probably the most die-hard fans.

    And of course, you have to consider that the vast majority of people who play WoW don't even really read about it on the internet. Certainly don't read forums, and definitely don't post on them. MMO-Champion itself represents only an exceedingly tiny microcosm of the playerbase.

    So, considering that, there's really no solid way to determine the truth. The people who are posting in this thread are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of the playerbase, representing only a few regions where the game is played. Just something you've always got to keep in mind when reading threads like these.

    Pretty much everyone I knew in Classic is still online on an almost daily basis. One guy switched to a European server to join a hardcore progression guild, and one guy quit to play GW2, but everyone else is still around.
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  13. #93
    Quote Originally Posted by Matash View Post
    Remember running shattered halls?
    Oh man H Shalls. Never did I ever run it unless I was with my guildies XD Good times.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rivyr View Post
    I imagine this is what an immortal must feel like, to be a relic of an age long gone, to remember your friends and moments from the past and the fun times you had but then to look out at the world around you and see something that shares similarities but is vastly different from the world you grew up in.
    This right here, is so perfect in every way, and precisely truth.

    I started in Vanilla. I played with the same guild ALL through the expansions, up untill the beginning of MoP. Only about 5 people from that guild still plays now. The rest seem to have disappeared sadly. So I would assume then that, yes, those from the "original" wow must be a minority at this point in time. Still love the game though, because regardless of how long I stop playing, I always come back to it lol.

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    Here's a funny story. My friend and his group of friends got me into playing WoW right at the start of WotLK. It was so weird. They were the "typical" (note quote marks) Warcraft guys from what I could see. Go Horde or go Home. ROFL at Blood Elves but respected their Warlocks, were around for the crazy shard staff hunt of Classic... that kind of crew. I rolled a female Orc Hunter and got started on leveling up. Most of my friends were like hurry to 70 for Wrath endgame stuff. I trudged to 55, swapped Orc Hunter for BE DK and make it to 70. Never got to raid due to gearing issues but I was there.

    Most of them stuck around and began to fade from WoW mid Wrath. But all of them came back for Arthas fight & PvP. I had played during the middle of Wrath and also got my other friend to join. We liked alliance more. He rolled a Druid and I rolled a Human Warrior. I got to playing with my Horde friends from Classic/BC and informed them of Ulduar and Argent Tourney. They loved Ulduar and hated Argent Tourney. My friend and I hated Ulduar and loved Argent Tourney. For the first 2 months after Lich King raid, I hopped from my BE DK and my Alli Warrior, playing with both sides.

    Then the gap between Wrath & Cata came and Cata's pre-event was announced. Some of the guys came back for pre-Cata but the rest had stuff in RL. Jobs and we had all gradated from college. The guy who got me into WoW had a kid on the way, so he was out. Most of the guys who I saw playing that were from Classic WoW did not make it into patch 5.1. Except one guy who loved his PvP. He was still on. My alliance friend and I were eating it up. Loved Cata, loved the Worgen, I loved my Human Hunter. It was good.

    Fast forward to Patch 5.2? (The one before Deathwing). My alliance friend ALSO has a kid on the way. So now he bows out. My one Horde friend is still playing but he doesn't raid anymore and I can't PvP with him because I can't gear up or communicate with him on Vent. Friend who got me into WoW attempts to come back for a few months. But the game has changed for him too much. Also he was more interested in finding out who Deathwing was and beating him next patch. (His first WC game was WC III). So patch 5.3 hits. He somehow meets up with my other Horde friend and starts gearing up. But he has a baby. Horde PvP friend has college stuff. They manage to PvP once in a blue moon but can't play enough to keep it going. I also run into RL issues and stop playing WoW due to cash issues.

    Mists of Pandaria is announced. I'm hyped for the game. But no one else is. Mentor friend is having RL issues with baby. Horde PvP friend is completely turned off by Pandarens, Pandaria and PvP changes. He plans to stop playing. My Alliance friend gets his account hacked. Between that and his wife (got married) didn't approve of WoW because she had an ex who gave her a bad experience with it... long story short, he quits WoW for good.

    Pandaria hits. I'm in Day One as it launches, asking who else got it. Only Horde PvP guy is interested. Says he'll get it in a few days after release. No one else wants in. He plays until 1st patch of Pandaria. I don't see him online anymore. I find leveling in Pandaria too much, combined with other games that look better then WoW but do something similar to what WoW does... I let my playtime burn out and don't jump back in.

    After hearing about WoD, I start to ask my friends if they're interested. The 2 guys from Classic/BC and the one who started in Wrath. Wrath Alliance friends laughs after seeing what WoD has to offer. No classes? No new race? No thanks. Not worth the stress wife will give him. Ask the other two and they give me the same answer: not the game I was playing about a decade ago. They both admit the following after though: that they are not the same person either. That friend of mine who was the Horde player with the baby is now a single father. No time to grind and play. Other PvP friend? Just not interested in the game anymore. He doesn't even play video games anymore.

    So... what I'm hoping someone would take from that is this: most of those old players have grown up. One way or another, they can't find time or won't find time to play the game. Some of them are just done. A majority of them felt they beat the game after killing Arthas. Even the Wrath baby guy stopped after a while. 9 years, heck... even 4 to 5 years is a longer time then you think in real life. I'm the last one "partially" standing. If we get all the new models in time for WoD, I'll play it on release. I missed out on half of Pandaria. I still have a Pandaren Ninja/Rogue I want to level. My Human Hunter is 3 levels from 90. I still hope to see High Elves for the Alliance.

    It's a testament to the World of Warcraft that people from 9 years ago are still playing it. It's amazing that a game from 9 years ago is still relevant! Here's hoping it can go even further. Here's to hoping that NEW players come into the game to sustain it. Here's hoping that some old players can make time for WoW and return to play. And here's to hoping I'm around for the next few. Cheers to World of Warcraft. I may not be one of your elite few from almost yonder-decade, but I salute you and applaud you. From the Wrath baby you brought into Azeroth, I tip my hat and drink from my keg in your honor.


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  15. #95
    I suspect many of the Vanilla raiders have quit. Especially the people willing to put up with the eternal grind of 40 mans and everything you had to do to prepare for it.

    But many players from Vanilla were not raiders. They simply pottered about, slowly levelling and maybe levelling alts. For them, the levelling was the game. They were the majority and it's only now with LFR and other casual content that there's actually something for them to do at max level. I expect WoW hasn't really gained many genuinely new players since TBC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmist View Post
    I suspect many of the Vanilla raiders have quit. Especially the people willing to put up with the eternal grind of 40 mans and everything you had to do to prepare for it.

    But many players from Vanilla were not raiders. They simply pottered about, slowly levelling and maybe levelling alts. For them, the levelling was the game. They were the majority and it's only now with LFR and other casual content that there's actually something for them to do at max level. I expect WoW hasn't really gained many genuinely new players since TBC.
    I'm proud to be an old Vanilla raider and still here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolftech View Post
    So you are saying you are a TBC baby? n00b

    I have seen a lot quit over the years since I first started playing in Dec 04. But then again, I still have people in my friends list that I see online today that I first raided MC and BWL with. Either way, as long as they don't make the Alliance do any more with Orc Jesus, I will still probably be playing come the 10th Anniversary.
    No, I am not a TBC baby. I started playing in Dec 2005 and started my own account on 3 Jan 2006 during patch 1.7 if memory serves.

    Here's a screenie for you since you are a fan of vanilla raiding:

    http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/1...2711225258.jpg

    and another



    and another



    Everyone I knew from Vanilla have quit too.

    So, where are your screenshots from 2004 bro?
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    There is only a few left of the players I raided with in vanilla. Of us I am the only one that still raids Semi-Hardcore.

    I love all the QOL changes that has happened to WoW. One of the reasons I started with WoW was due to how casual it was compared to other MMOs at the time. That and the extremely good lore/storytelling.

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    I'm still here, none of the players i started with is

    i miss you guys ;_;

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    I've never posted here before, but I came here because my insomnia is keeping me awake and I wanted to read the WOD info =D . But the powerful memories I had recalled reading other peoples stories compelled me to contribute my own. My original server Dunemaul is completely dead and my new Server Malfurion is also dead. Such is the woes of playing since 2005(well I mean I took a break between WOTLK release and TOC/ICC, as well as cata release to ZA/ZG re-release didn't really care for pandas till i saw WOD) I can honestly say literally no one I've played with over the years is still playing, it got so bad and the numbers so big on the "has not logged in for xxxx" that I just cleared my friends list except for my sc2/d3 buddies. I personally was a hard core raider in Vanilla/TBC(fuck Hyjal/SSC/BT attunements after Kara/Gruuls/Mag my guild fell apart like in vanilla when we couldn't do AQ40 and just farmed MC/BWL/Ony/AQ20) and then I was a casual raider in WOTLK/Cata getting the "bare" minimum epics just so if I wanted too next expansion I could jump in without too much of a loss. Doing the same thing here, bought pandas last week, hit 90 and am grinding out some gear now(will probably stop once I have everything upgraded to ~524 ilvl) to get ready for WOD. Dunno how long WOD will keep my interest though.

    It feels wierd playing for so long, much like that one guy said, "I feel like Im gonna turn into a raid boss and start talking about how I was around when the world was young." I still have memories of our gear up raid in MC for alts the night Make Love not Warcraft was release. And how we had to not talk about because everyone was in different time zones lol. Also 15 man stratholme/scholomance and playing with my friends from school, none of which are even remotely interested in playing now. Not to mention the movies, oh the movies, drakedog, serenity now, boss fights from nihillum. Even today I still occasionally go back and farm the old content for quick money and memories. But I could say the same for starcraft brood war, played it for even longer and saw the rise and fall of many relationships/memories.

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