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    Question Tier set or Ordos warforged gear dilemma

    Before facing Ordos yesterday, I was wearing Breastplate of Cyclopean Dread then I got Hoodrych's Bloodied Chestplate from the Yaungol flame beast. Of course, the Ordos gear is a clear upgrade but by wearing it I will lose my 2p set bonus which dps impact is difficult to calculate. So I wonder, which one of those should I keep?

    I play a 2H (temporarily since I got an upgrade over my 2 1H from LFR but I intend to switch back to DW) frost DK.

    Edit: I was linking the wrong set piece. Fixed it.

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    No opinion? :/
    Last edited by Baine; 2013-11-20 at 05:08 PM.

  2. #2
    equip one.
    sim it.
    equip other.
    sim it.
    equip chest with best results.

  3. #3
    im guessing the 2 set would be better than the Warforged chest, but who knows.

  4. #4
    The Warforged one is probably better since the 2P for 2H Frost is really awful
    Kengos-Frost/Blood DK:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...engos/advanced
    Genndori-Ele/Resto Shaman:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ndori/advanced
    Battletag-Genndori#1959

  5. #5
    Building on OP's topic I'm curious as to how Ordos (Head/Shoulders/Chest) gear competes with 4 set using 2x Flex tier pieces for those same slots as 2H Frost; I disregard the Hands+Legs since you can get Normal from Celestials.

  6. #6
    Sim it. There's no other way to easily tell.

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by bals View Post
    Sim it. There's no other way to easily tell.
    But I'm lazy

  8. #8
    My simple brain can't quite facilitate complex simulations in the same manner as Simulationcraft can on a modern PC, but I'd wager the WF chest is probably slightly better due to how weak mastery is for 2H.
    Last edited by Vereesa; 2013-11-21 at 09:12 PM.
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  9. #9
    Is any of the the frost bonuses good? I thought the 2P was better than the 4p at least.

  10. #10
    Both setboni are good for frost (for both, dw and 2h) but they're not super awesome. They make up around 5% together which is considerable but there could be more.

    For 2set vs 19 ilvls on chest. I would go for the 2 set. I can't really imagine that a bonus with 2-2,5% dmg increase can be beaten by a single better item, even with that difference.
    Even for unholy one item with 13 ilvls more is only around half worth of the 4 set which is about half as strong as the frost one. (tested with legs, so chest equivalent)

    Also even if it is not controllable i like more to have a chance for bigger burst sometimes than a little increase to ST overall. So even if on par (if that really should be the case for some weird reason) i would take the 2 set.

    If you want to know it exactly for your current gear simming is probably the best solution.
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  11. #11
    You'll only get an accurate answer if you sim it, but it's very likely that keeping the set bonus is the right choice. Secondary stats aren't terribly far away from each other in value for 2H Frost, and you get about 350 Str and 400 secondary stats from the warforged chest. My guess is that you'll get more than 1000-1500 average mastery throughout a fight from the 2-piece bonus, and there will be times that you'll line up a lot of the 2pc stacks with trinkets and procs.

  12. #12
    Link your armory and ill sim it myself for you.

    Like I said though you are 2H right now and the 2 pc sucks for 2H, so I am 95% positive the warforged is better. Chests have such a big budget and it would only need to be more than a 3k dps upgrade to be better, which I am sure 19 ilevels up on a chest is
    Kengos-Frost/Blood DK:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...engos/advanced
    Genndori-Ele/Resto Shaman:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ndori/advanced
    Battletag-Genndori#1959

  13. #13
    Always go for the tier set. Don't listen to any of the "The tier bonus sucks" people, they are wrong, they only read what some other person wrote. Don't believe that other person either.

  14. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by maxalyss View Post
    Always go for the tier set. Don't listen to any of the "The tier bonus sucks" people, they are wrong, they only read what some other person wrote. Don't believe that other person either.
    Oh, really? I'm wrong? Ok, here you go

    I simmed this myself in 564 gear, I changed all the gems in simcraft from my character and Downsized the tier chest to 540

    Local Head thranoks_shattering_helm,id=103892,upgrade=2,gems=capacitive_primal_160hit_160crit_180str, reforge=mastery_crit
    Local Neck juggernauts_ignition_keys,id=105264,upgrade=2,reforge=hit_crit
    Local Shoulders darkfallen_shoulderplates,id=104438,gems=160haste_160hit_160haste_160hit_120str,enchant=20 0str_100crit,reforge=mastery_crit
    Shirt empty
    Local Chest breastplate_of_cyclopean_dread,id=99608,upgrade=2,gems=80str_160crit_80str_160crit_80str_1 60crit_180str,enchant=80all,reforge=mastery_crit
    Local Waist greatbelt_of_the_crendor,id=105783,upgrade=2,gems=320crit_160hit_160crit_320crit_120str,ad don=nitro_boosts,reforge=hit_haste
    Local Legs greaves_of_cyclopean_dread,id=99186,upgrade=2,gems=320crit_320crit_120str,enchant=285str_1 65crit
    Local Feet greaves_of_sublime_superiority,id=103878,upgrade=2,gems=80str_160crit_60crit,enchant=140ma stery,reforge=hit_haste
    Local Wrists wallborer_bracers,id=105261,upgrade=2,enchant=180str,reforge=exp_haste
    Local Hands zoids_molten_gauntlets,id=103734,upgrade=2,gems=320crit_320crit_120str,enchant=170str,addo n=synapse_springs_mark_ii,reforge=mastery_haste
    Local Finger1 seal_of_the_forgotten_kings,id=103796,upgrade=2,gems=80str_160crit_60haste,enchant=160str, reforge=haste_mastery
    Local Finger2 devilfang_band,id=104864,upgrade=2,gems=80str_160crit_60exp,enchant=160str,reforge=exp_cri t
    Local Trinket1 thoks_tail_tip,id=102305,upgrade=2
    Local Trinket2 evil_eye_of_galakras,id=102298,upgrade=2
    Local Back gonglu_strength_of_xuen,id=102249,upgrade=2,gems=80str_160hit_60str,enchant=180crit,addon= goblin_glider,reforge=mastery_exp
    Local Main Hand gartok_strength_of_the_faithful,id=103945,upgrade=2,gems=320mastery_60str,enchant=rune_of_ the_stoneskin_gargoyle,reforge=mastery_crit

    This is With the 2 set bonus, The DPS? 281041

    Non 2 set bonus

    thranoks_shattering_helm,id=103892,upgrade=2,gems=capacitive_primal_160hit_160crit_180str, reforge=mastery_crit
    Local Neck juggernauts_ignition_keys,id=105264,upgrade=2,reforge=hit_crit
    Local Shoulders darkfallen_shoulderplates,id=104438,gems=160haste_160hit_160haste_160hit_120str,enchant=20 0str_100crit,reforge=mastery_crit
    Shirt empty
    Local Chest hoodrychs_bloody_chestplate,id=105767,upgrade=2,gems=80str_160hit_80str_160hit_80str_160cr it_180str,enchant=80all,reforge=mastery_haste
    Local Waist greatbelt_of_the_crendor,id=105783,upgrade=2,gems=320crit_160hit_160crit_320crit_120str,ad don=nitro_boosts,reforge=hit_haste
    Local Legs greaves_of_cyclopean_dread,id=99186,upgrade=2,gems=320crit_320crit_120str,enchant=285str_1 65crit
    Local Feet greaves_of_sublime_superiority,id=103878,upgrade=2,gems=80str_160crit_60crit,enchant=140ma stery,reforge=hit_haste
    Local Wrists wallborer_bracers,id=105261,upgrade=2,enchant=180str,reforge=exp_haste
    Local Hands zoids_molten_gauntlets,id=103734,upgrade=2,gems=320crit_320crit_120str,enchant=170str,addo n=synapse_springs_mark_ii,reforge=mastery_haste
    Local Finger1 seal_of_the_forgotten_kings,id=103796,upgrade=2,gems=80str_160crit_60haste,enchant=160str
    Local Finger2 devilfang_band,id=104864,upgrade=2,gems=80str_160crit_60exp,enchant=160str,reforge=exp_cri t
    Local Trinket1 thoks_tail_tip,id=102305,upgrade=2
    Local Trinket2 evil_eye_of_galakras,id=102298,upgrade=2
    Local Back gonglu_strength_of_xuen,id=102249,upgrade=2,gems=80str_160crit_60str,enchant=180crit,addon =goblin_glider,reforge=mastery_exp
    Local Main Hand gartok_strength_of_the_faithful,id=103945,upgrade=2,gems=320mastery_60str,enchant=rune_of_ the_stoneskin_gargoyle,reforge=mastery_crit

    The DPS? 281615

    the Chest is a small Gain to be sure, but a gain nonetheless

    With better optimization (I did the gemming and reforging in simcraft, not imported), I bet I could even do better
    Kengos-Frost/Blood DK:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...engos/advanced
    Genndori-Ele/Resto Shaman:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ndori/advanced
    Battletag-Genndori#1959

  15. #15
    I don't think that having a tank enchant on your weapon makes that sim accurate.

    About your optimization stuff. As you just posted the gear settings i would like to know if you used UB or PL. As for a crit/haste setup PL is a dps crippler as it devalues haste to such an enormous degree that the 2 set which will proc haste for your setup can't be worth anything. IF thats the case i would consider resimming it either with PL with a crit/mastery setup or with UB and a cirt/haste setup.
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    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Raikh/advanced

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  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Raikh View Post
    I don't think that having a tank enchant on your weapon makes that sim accurate.

    About your optimization stuff. As you just posted the gear settings i would like to know if you used UB or PL. As for a crit/haste setup PL is a dps crippler as it devalues haste to such an enormous degree that the 2 set which will proc haste for your setup can't be worth anything. IF thats the case i would consider resimming it either with PL with a crit/mastery setup or with UB and a cirt/haste setup.
    Like I said I did everything in simcraft as I have a dw setup.....as far as PL and haste/crit goes...I ran the stat weights and haste is still better.

    A weapon enchant shouldnt make a huge diffrrence in my results but I will test it again to be sure. I stand by my position that the 19 ilevels in the chest is better than the 2pc
    Kengos-Frost/Blood DK:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...engos/advanced
    Genndori-Ele/Resto Shaman:http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ndori/advanced
    Battletag-Genndori#1959

  17. #17
    OP, please link your armory so this big debate can end, and you can get some real answers. the only real way is not speculation, but by sims. also, sims should be done as patchwork and aoe, as most fights now have adds, the extra stats may benefit you more overall, but again this is speculation, and i'm not one for speculation.

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