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  1. #161
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    Doesn't oQueue send a lot of whispers that is hidden? So it would kind of let you stay online. I noticed those whispers when I have logged into Hearthstone and forgot to change the broadcast from (OQ) to something else. Since anyone on WoW with the addon will have the addon think you are on WoW and spam you with a list of signs and just send over and over to synch your oQueue with theirs. Since you don't have the oQueue addon in Hearthstone it won't hide them or respond so you keep getting whispers over and over and your screen will fill with those messages :P That is the reason I uninstalled oQueue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokoshne View Post
    Shouldn't they just let people use OQ until the blizzard raid browser is finished and in the game. I mean come on, they have done that before with plenty of other addons, incorperated good addons into the game. Whether the OP is telling the truth or not is another question, but that's by the by.
    There already is a raid finder function in the game. Its on the raid tab when you hit the "o" button. You then click the other raids button and you can list yourself as being interested in joining a raid. THIS is what people should be using

  3. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by Resike View Post
    No because it counts as a third party addon, and it's bannable.
    Actually being an addon it is allowable as long as it is not able to do something blizzard have not intended.
    Automation is not the problem, the excessive nature of invites/whispers is the problem.

    What you describe is an application working outside of the API blizzard have opened for addon use.
    Bots primarily.
    Last edited by ComputerNerd; 2013-11-24 at 11:37 PM.
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    I don't understand why we don't have flying so they tell us we will have convenient flight points. Immersion and danger? Here take some coins and fly me there while I read facebook or go take a poop.
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    T'is good to see there are still people valiantly putting the "Ass" in assumption.

  4. #164
    Third-party addons are completely allowed in WoW. Recount is a third-party addon too. External tools aren't, but oQueue is not an external tool. When Blizzard doesn't like an addon they change the API to break it, they don't ban players for using it. That's why I was chat banned in D3, not WoW.

    Now like I said earlier, oQ does send out a lot of friend invites in WoW, and if you get reported it's up to the individual GM how to handle it, and GMs may react differently. The D3 GM obviously didn't know about oQ, and with so many guilty players scamming/social engineering to get out of bans they are extremely resistant to changing their minds. If it was a real ban, and not a 6 hour chat ban that already expired by the time I saw the email, I would have fought it. But really, it wasn't a big deal.

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    Actually being an addon it is allowable as long as it is not able to do something blizzard have not intended.
    Automation is not the problem, the excessive nature of invites/whispers is the problem.

    What you describe is an application working outside of the API blizzard have opened for addon use.
    Bots primarily.
    Well if blizzard doesn't let addons to join/leave bg/lfr queues, and bans for abuse of multi macro capable keyboards mouses, or pretty much any automated things, then i think they should not be fine with auto accept friend and battle net request neither, specially if they use their the chat servers to generate tons of extra traffic for them.

  6. #166
    Yes, but you see, what you think does not matter. What I think doesn't matter either.

    When we say they don't allow addons to do things, we mean that they protect those functions in the API or change the API to break the addons' functionality. The addons no longer work.

    If the devs wanted to break oQueue, they would actually break oQueue, not just randomly ban a couple people and not say anything about it.

  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Resike View Post
    Well if blizzard doesn't let addons to join/leave bg/lfr queues, and bans for abuse of multi macro capable keyboards mouses, or pretty much any automated things, then i think they should not be fine with auto accept friend and battle net request neither, specially if they use their the chat servers to generate tons of extra traffic for them.
    Yes, the queue joining is not accessible by the API exposed to addons, a choice by blizzard.
    Hardware macros are something entirely different, only sharing a name.
    Those are sequences of inputs, something against the terms of use.
    One physical input by the player should equal one hardware input, not multiple.

    If blizzard feel that the functionality of oQueue is an issue they will make changes to the API to either throttle, or prevent it.
    It is not the first time they have made changes to effectively break an addon.

    By your arguments of "3rd party" we should not be using PowerAuras, Recount, Grid, Bartender, stUF (to name only a small selection), and so on.

    What about a macro that allows you to cast at a focus when you have no target, is that not automation ?

    Blizzard are generally happy to allow addons to do anything they are capable of, since in most cases that functionality has intentionally been exposed for them to use.
    However in events that they are doing something blizzard disagree with, then changes can and will be made as they see fit.

    Sometimes an oversight, sometimes a bug.
    Last edited by ComputerNerd; 2013-11-25 at 04:06 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by DeadmanWalking View Post
    I don't understand why we don't have flying so they tell us we will have convenient flight points. Immersion and danger? Here take some coins and fly me there while I read facebook or go take a poop.
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinaerd View Post
    T'is good to see there are still people valiantly putting the "Ass" in assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Resike View Post
    No because it counts as a third party addon, and it's bannable.
    All addons are made by a third party. Therefore i think we should ban anyone using any addon

    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    There already is a raid finder function in the game. Its on the raid tab when you hit the "o" button. You then click the other raids button and you can list yourself as being interested in joining a raid. THIS is what people should be using
    Then you use that and tell me how fast you find a grp with it being limited to only your server and others using it.

    I also find it funny that this whole thread has become an Oqueue hate thread. Even blizzard thinks its a good idea and they want to add it to their game. Prolly why Tiny has added his "All rights reserved" to the code. And it wasnt even Oqueue he was banned for out of the millions of people using it why was he the only one banned? There is a 35 minute video showing it logs you out and has has shown no proof to back his claims. How about you all shut up. Oqueue users go back to your groups non-users go back to complaining you cant find a group.
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  9. #169
    If you'd like to stay logged in while AFK, agro a lowbie mob and have it attack you. It will keep you from logging out.
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    you're not supposed to kill someone unless they kill you first. it's common sense.

  10. #170
    I've asked around in guild and friends, non of them get logged out by using OQ addon so far and some of them have been using it since it came out. So that alone would be enough for me to not trust the OP. However the really fishy part of this all is that he refuses to upload any form of proof and keeps altering his story.

    1: In the OP there never was any mentioning that he/she used any botting program before, just stating that it was clearly OQ's fault. However suddenly when confronted with the fact that you normally get a warning ban, not an immediate perma-ban for something like staying logged on, he made it up.

    2: Blizzard employees cannot and will not give you the exact reason like that, specially not in the form of "[2:17:32 PM] Grucanix: Yup, that would be considered a bot program."

    3: If you would have used google and checked out the official wow forum posts, you would have seen that Blizzard investigated OQ and only caught Tiny on using the donations button, which is against their policy. (check CM_Zahrym's twitter post from "11:16 AM - 17 Oct 13", cannot link anything yet sorry )

    4: I would like you also to visit joystick dot com and search there for the following article " Patch 5.4.2: Blizzard's answer to oQueue enters testing [Updated]" - Updated on the 21st of November, with blue replies and non stating that OQ is banned, nor that it will be, but meanwhile they inspected it and are even adapting their current system in the same manner as OQ.

    5: It is my firm believe that you made misuse of OQ to bot. OQ by itself is not an exploiting program, however it can be used to "bot" in PvP by queuing up for example and going afk - You can find several people through google who have admitted that they got a ban for misusing it like that. That however is not the addon's fault, but your own. Seeing your prior history with bots, even doing it twice, not having learned a thing after being banned the 1st time, I cannot help it but firmly believe what I just stated.

    I find it a real shame that people can break down an addon like this, simply cause they got caught misusing it or banned for using another program. I know Tiny is not so much respected and sometimes has a bit lack of general respect, but this is simply sad to get back at an addon like that and as such at the author who puts his time into it. Blizzard would have banned it already if it would be considered a "botting" program.

  11. #171
    Ouch.

    Well hopefully just a misunderstanding, might be a good idea to turn the autoaccept thing off though.

    I really hope Blizzard gets the new group finder tool right in WoD so we don't have to rely on third party apps and BNet tagging shitloads of people just to find groups cross realm.

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    It's pretty clear from the exchange that Blizzard detected an account that was sitting idle for longer than it should be, whipped out the banhammer and let it fly. As soon as he started talking to the GM, it was clear that it was an automated ban. As soon as the specialist reviews his account and sees that he's been standing in SW the whole time, he'll be unbanned with a strong warning to not use programs to extend idle periods and to log out whenever he is not actively playing (which you should have done anyways.) I'd hardly call it cause for alarm. I've been using it for months with no issue whatsoever.

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Ouch.

    I really hope Blizzard gets the new group finder tool right in WoD cross realm.
    Will be even sooner in then WoD afaik. Didn't they plan it for 5.4.2, according to this post: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8715583069#1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spl4sh3r View Post
    Doesn't oQueue send a lot of whispers that is hidden? So it would kind of let you stay online. I noticed those whispers when I have logged into Hearthstone and forgot to change the broadcast from (OQ) to something else. Since anyone on WoW with the addon will have the addon think you are on WoW and spam you with a list of signs and just send over and over to synch your oQueue with theirs. Since you don't have the oQueue addon in Hearthstone it won't hide them or respond so you keep getting whispers over and over and your screen will fill with those messages :P That is the reason I uninstalled oQueue.
    I think it auto detects hearthstone client and no longer sends ques to it.
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  15. #175
    I can most definitely attest to being kept logged in by oQ one time. I went out for dinner, was gone for over 2 hours, came back and was still logged in with a string of friends being added in my absence. I suspect you CAN be kept online if you are part of the mesh (Which you are when you start getting friends on your list without confirming them, most oQ users would know this).

    But I doubt this would be a major cause for bans, so there is definitely something more to the story, as the OP admits he has a history of being (legitimately) caught for botting. I suspect his account has been permanently flagged, so minor actions (like oQ keeping you logged in under certain circumstances) would trigger those flags and re-ban him instantly.

  16. #176
    IF this is anyway true, never ever ever take the word of the first GM you speak to the law. Always escalate 3-4 times. All my experience with GM's has taught me that they are rather lazy and often have the power to do what you need them to you, you just need to find one that's willing. Im sure if you are telling us 100% truths that the next GM or the next one after that will will see how silly it was and fix your account up.

  17. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by Tsukiyo View Post
    Will be even sooner in then WoD afaik. Didn't they plan it for 5.4.2, according to this post: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/8715583069#1
    Think that's just some tweaks before they get on with making the tool more attractive to use.

    Also depends on enough people actually using it that it becomes the go-to means of group making.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orlong View Post
    There already is a raid finder function in the game. Its on the raid tab when you hit the "o" button. You then click the other raids button and you can list yourself as being interested in joining a raid. THIS is what people should be using
    Not cross realm and cant filter worth a damn, sorry it's useless.
    Why are Dungeons and Scenarios mash-fests that take less time than the actual queue or wait list? What a waste of content design...

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    If not for Oqueue and OpenRaid I would have quit this game long ago. Blizzard are crazy if they go around banning people for using them.

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    Any updates of any sort? I just found out about this addon, and I'd love to use it and get to raid But I don't want to get in trouble for using it :S /worried

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