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  1. #101
    As said, warforged gear and item upgrades already provide a large nerf over time. The extra item levels provide a bigger boost than many realise. If the raid gets nerfed on top of these, I don't see it being as much as by 30%.

  2. #102
    Quote Originally Posted by Shuperstar View Post
    I'd hope not. I haven't found a boss yet that's really hard.
    The problem is that many people have found such a problem.
    Problem likely are more in 10-man when those 14/14 normal dont have the best setup in order to progress in heroic mode. I mean 1 guild 10-man is doing progress 2 weeks now with 4x melee dps~ Well i dont think that this is quite easy and not having a mage/lock like they ~dont have make the thing's xx harder.
    Another thing is the recruitment that right now is make thing's like always was harder.
    At the end isn't the difficulty of the raid is more likely that people are doing flex/normal+heroic and flex normal are easy~while heroic you simply must have an ok setup*.

    At the end were going to have more and more people quiting meaning less guild's meaning less people that are playing meaning a worse ah in server's...meaning a worse environment for the people.

    And progress is what ??40 guild 10-man with 14/14 hc? At the end of expansion were going to have what? 200 guild's?
    Because i doubt many guilds will keep up with progress
    In 1 month there were a jump of 1.200 guilds within heroic mode with 1hc boss killed.
    From those 1.200 guild's that have scored 1 hc kill how many of them will end the expansion wiping at least on garossh heroic? I doubt that is gonna be even 1 or 2 guilds.
    Most of them will simply quit half~way.
    Is not a part of gear/nerf is simply a skill.
    Im seeying already many 10-man guilds quiting right now and many cannot continue with the already progress they made. I mean guild with 5/14 heroic last week did only 2x heroic bosses kills and then simply cleared on Normal. ( So instead of progress and focus on new bosses they would simply become dust to dust ).

    My expectation is that we're gonna have a nerf.
    Christmas is coming a lot of people are gonna take a break...Point is how many of them are gonna continue? And simply as we know many guild's are gonna fall down due missing people ..not recruitment.

  3. #103
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    30% nerf pls I want to use that song on our garrosh kill too.
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    which is kind of like saying "of COURSE you can't see the unicorns, unicorns are invisible, silly."

  4. #104
    A thing to consider:
    This tier is probably the best tuned in terms of progressive difficulty, *ever*. Sure, for the bleeding edge raiders, the first 8-9 bosses were laughably easy - but for everyone else, they provided a very slight difficulty curve. If you could beat one boss, the one right behind it was only *slightly* harder, and needed maybe a little more gear or practice. The same goes for malkorok onwards, but the difficulty curve does increase by a fair bit between the encounters at that point.
    This means that there really is no need for a scaling nerf, because the "brick wall" that it'd help people scale isn't there. The difficulty difference between the bosses are not so huge that you'll be stuck.

  5. #105
    Quote Originally Posted by Skandulous View Post
    lol not true a toon with full loot upgrades is no were near close to a 5% nerf on content let alone 30%. a 5% nerf to boss hp and damage done is a big nerf and no amount of loot upgrades can really compare.
    You're joking, right? One upgrade this tier has gotten me a 40k dps increase alone. That would be when I replaced a normal thunderforged Primordius' Talisman of Rage with a Flex Evil Eye. In 5.3 I was pulling about 160k as a frost dk. I'm now doing 313k on heroic Malkorok and that's with a 569 ilvl not even being CLOSE to BiS. I don't even have a Thok trinket which would easily be another 40k dps increase alone. If 39 ilvls doubles my dps, I could imagine that 8 ilvls higher would be about a 20% increase in damage.

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  6. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by axiom View Post
    i need this in lfr!!!!!
    cause i am casual now and i only do lfr once a week with my "main-twink"

    its not fun this time, but i cant live without a staff
    LFR didn't get the increasing zone nerf in Dragon Soul. Indeed, this went so far that, at the final debuff stack, LFR bosses actually had more health than the 25 man normal bosses did.
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    My bet 10 percent nerf by January with 30 percent nerf by may!

  8. #108
    4 difficulty levels, that grant a smooth itemization is enough.

  9. #109
    It's because they see item upgrades as fulfilling the same role when it comes to gradually making content easier.

  10. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkblazer View Post
    Im seeying already many 10-man guilds quiting right now and many cannot continue with the already progress they made. I mean guild with 5/14 heroic last week did only 2x heroic bosses kills and then simply cleared on Normal. ( So instead of progress and focus on new bosses they would simply become dust to dust ).
    thing is its the last tier of expansion and if people dont see a real shot at 14/14 HC they simply stop caring at some point -_- im not saying that i want a zone buff - im just curious how it will end up without it .

  11. #111
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilian View Post
    We already have bloody 4 different difficulty levels. The hell the nerf would be for??
    This was never the reason for the end raid nerfs. I don't understand why people keep saying this. Why do you think it changes anything that you have 4 difficulty levels? The idea of the nerfs is to allow progress. Last patches last for a long time and people get bored on the same shit about halfway trough, and the other 5 months they have nothing to do. However, when stuff gets nerfed, people get motivation to go play stuff that they couldn't do before. Flex players who never played normal mode will start pugging normals instead of flex. People who pug normal modes or play with normal mode progress guild can try to clear the entire instance, and even try some heroics. Guilds that progress heroics but don't possess the skills required for full hc clear can try to go for it after it gets nerfed monthly.

    The reason for the nerfs is to keep the game interesting for 8-10 months that it will take to get the expansion. Why would you think that having 4 difficulties now keeps you playing this game until next july-september before we get the expansion late again?

  12. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Choice View Post
    The item upgrades are nerfing the content faster than any stacking nerf could. Shit like Thok dies before we even get to the fire phase running with our initial strategy. Siegecrafter almost dies in half the belts for our initial kill. Paragons die with some of them not even getting a chance to cast their abilities.

    The rate of decay for these fights is insane. A nerf on top of that would simply be offensive to the designers. It would be like 4.0 ICC HMs, normal modes with an additional mechanic that can be ignored.
    Exactly. I can't recall a previous tier where one reset of gear would trivialize the bosses as dramatically. An ICC nerf would be ridiculous at this point.

  13. #113
    I really don't understand the "item upgrade already provide a nerf over time" thing.
    If it was like in T14/T15 with upgrade system locked at the start, I could agree.

    But now, who the fuck doesn't have 500 valor points tu use when they get a loot?

    2/2 is no longer an "upgrade", as someone else in this thread already said it's just like enchant/gems.

  14. #114
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandwhale View Post
    2/2 is no longer an "upgrade", as someone else in this thread already said it's just like enchant/gems.
    And whats now your problem?

  15. #115
    Quote Originally Posted by kamuimac View Post
    thing is its the last tier of expansion and if people dont see a real shot at 14/14 HC they simply stop caring at some point -_- im not saying that i want a zone buff - im just curious how it will end up without it .
    When upgrading a weapon from 561 to 580 gives you 30-40k dps, or obtaining any of the amplification/cooldown reduction trinkets gives you a similar power increase, you don't need to nerf the bosses by 5% every month. Our first Garrosh NH kill 7-8 resets ago was scratching the berserk timer with a third intermission, this week we killed him in under 8 minutes and didn't get a single Empowered Adds spawn (boss under 20% after the second intermission). We killed Thok NH before the second kite phase ended.
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  16. #116
    I hope that one day they will stop doing that shit. We have four difficulties now and plenty of ways to gear up to overcome certain challenges over time. There is really no need to ruin the little challenge this game has left with such ridiculously huge nerfs.

    Old tiers getting nerfed, sure. Current tiers getting nerfed, no thanks. Not that it has much impact on me atm.

  17. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by Sandwhale View Post

    2/2 is no longer an "upgrade", as someone else in this thread already said it's just like enchant/gems.
    Stats scaling on gear now is redonk.. The stats gained today from a SoO normal 2/2 upgraded item is so much more than the stats gained from, for example, a ToT normal 2/2 upgrade.. and that's only a tier away. Also you shouldn't be comparing it to enchants and gems, since those have been static most of the expansion.

  18. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by critsom View Post
    Stats scaling on gear now is redonk.. The stats gained today from a SoO normal 2/2 upgraded item is so much more than the stats gained from, for example, a ToT normal 2/2 upgrade.. and that's only a tier away. Also you shouldn't be comparing it to enchants and gems, since those have been static most of the expansion.
    I know that.
    I was comparing them by saying they were all "mandatory" now. Everyone I know who's raiding seriously is fully upgraded, and as soon as they get a new piece of gear it will be instantly upgraded too. So it's not really a "nerf over time" as it's here since the start of SoO.

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    They won't do it like they did with ICC. If you haven't noticed all previous tiers have been flat nerfed with a minus damage and health of bosses. We won't receive any buffs.
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  20. #120
    I am betting that since this is the firs tier with Flex raiding, a nerf to norm / heroic will not occur.

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