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    Gear Changes in Warlords of Draenor

    Gear Changes in Warlords of Draenor
    Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
    Now that BlizzCon is over and Warlords of Draenor has been unveiled, we’ve been getting some additional questions about the gear changes currently planned for the expansion. To help shed some more light on what you can expect, we thought we’d take a bit of time to clarify a few things.

    Keep in mind that as with anything still in development, the information we share now will likely change as we progress, but this should help give you a good understanding of our goals and thinking.


    Armor Pieces: Head, Shoulders, Chest, Legs, Gloves, Belt, Boots, and Bracers

    Primary Stats

    One of our main intents for primary stats is to make sure that higher Item Level (ilvl) pieces from new content are almost always superior to items from older content. Further, the changes we’re making to primary stats will help make pieces more universal, so groups will find gear drops more useful more often. This means you’ll be disenchanting less Intellect plate (only usable by Paladins today) or Agility mail (only usable by Hunters and Enhancement Shamans today). As we discussed at BlizzCon, we’re accomplishing this by making it so primary stats for a given piece of gear will change based on your current spec, though it’s likely that only new gear added in Warlords will work like this, as it might be impossible to implement this for all existing gear. Here are some additional points to know regarding the changes to primary stats:

    • Armor pieces will always have some amount of Stamina and Armor value.
    • Armor pieces always have Strength, Intellect, or Agility as a primary stat. Plate has either Strength or Intellect. Mail and Leather have either Agility or Intellect. Cloth has Intellect.
    • In the cases of Plate, Mail, and Leather, the primary stat will change depending on your current spec. Specifically, casters (including healers) will get Intellect, and melee or tank specs will get Strength or Agility.

    Secondary Stats

    Our intent for secondary stats is to differentiate pieces that occupy the same slot, allow for player customization, and to further differentiate specs within a class. Here are a few important points regarding the changes that are currently planned for secondary stats:
    • Secondary stats don’t change based on spec on armor pieces (or any piece).
    • Secondary stats on armor pieces can still include Haste, Crit, and/or Mastery.
    • Secondary stats on armor pieces will no longer include Hit, Expertise, Dodge, or Parry. These are being retired in Warlords, and will likely be removed even from existing gear.
    • Secondary stats on armor pieces will also no longer include Spirit, nor will they include Bonus Armor, which are reserved exclusively for non-armor pieces (which are explained below).
    • In addition, secondary stats on armor pieces may include several new stats we are exploring such as Readiness, Amplify, and Multi-strike. Technical Game Designer Chadd “Celestalon” Nervig has been sharing more details about these on his Twitter account.

    Additional Properties

    Armor pieces may have three other properties at random. First, items may be higher Item Level than normal. For sake of this discussion, we’ll call these items Warforged for now.

    Second, items may have gem sockets. Unlike gem sockets today, gem sockets in Warlords of Draenor will be rarer but more powerful. There will be no socket bonuses, but we are strongly considering requiring the right color gem for the socket. All gems will grant secondary stats, including Spirit and Bonus Armor (see below).

    Finally, items may have tertiary stats. These include things like a bonus to Movement Speed, Sturdiness, Life Steal, Avoidance (less AoE damage), and Cleave. Because of the rarity of tertiary starts, stacking them to produce (for example) a Movement Speed set will take enormous effort.

    The design intent of these additional qualities on items is to make itemization more exciting and to give it more longevity. Rather than waiting weeks to get a breastplate, you might get one pretty quickly—but to get a true “best-in-slot” item will take much more effort and a bit of luck. Here are a few more points to consider for these properties:

    • We haven’t decided on exact numbers yet, but for the current discussion, assume something like a 10% chance for an item to have an additional property. It’s possible for one item to have all three of these properties, but the chance of that is very small.
    • The properties are determined at the time an item is looted (and possibly even includes crafted gear). For example, if an ogre boss drops two copies of the Bracers of Crithto, one might be a normal version, while another might have a tertiary stat.

    Being Warforged, having a socket, or having a tertiary stat do not count against the stat budget of the item—they are strictly bonuses. The item will not have reduced primary or secondary stats in order to have these additional properties.

    Set Bonuses

    Similar to primary stats, set bonuses will also change depending on your current spec. This means a Paladin may only need one tier set rather than one for Holy and one for Retribution. It also means that set bonuses can be more tailored towards a spec. For instance, Marksman Hunter set bonuses can have different bonuses or different numbers than a Survival Hunter set. Like today, not every helmet, chest piece, or other piece of armor that drops will be part of a tier set.

    Non-Armor Pieces: Weapons, Rings, Cloak, Necklace, and Trinkets

    Primary Stats

    In general, most of these pieces will not have Strength, Agility, or Intellect. Instead, they may have Attack Power or Spell Power to make sure they are more universal. However, our current thought it to keep primary stats on weapons so that they continue to feel iconic and special. Many of the items will have Stamina as well.

    Secondary Stats

    The information about secondary stats on armor above also applies here. In addition, Spirit and Bonus Armor can appear on these items. Spirit is only useful for healers. Bonus Armor is generally only useful for tanks. A Spell Power piece without Spirit may be attractive to healers or may be attractive to DPS casters instead.

    The intent of including Spirit and Bonus Armor on these pieces is to make sure some items are still valuable only to healer and tank specs, helping to make sure they don’t have too much competition for gear against the more numerous DPS players in a given group. These are also stats we consider interesting, because how much of each of these stats a tank or healer might want is more subjective. For example, one tank in a group might prefer more Bonus Armor while another might prefer more Haste.

    In the case of Spirit, imagine that stacking Spirit on every non-armor slot will give you more mana regeneration than you would reasonably need. That is to say, you likely won’t need Spirit on every single spot in order to function as a healer.

    In the case of Bonus Armor, this stat fills the niche that Dodge and Parry fill today. We like tanks avoiding attacks as a mechanic, but it hasn’t proven to be a particularly interesting gearing strategy. However, we still want a dedicated damage-mitigation stat, and Bonus Armor will be it.

    Additional Qualities

    These items will also have a chance to have one of the additional qualities discussed above (Warforged, gems, and tertiary stats), and the information related to these qualities on armor still applies here.

    Examples

    A Holy Paladin has a raid tier set from the Blackrock Foundry. If she switches to her Retribution spec, the tier set is still functional, as the primary stats and set bonuses change. However, if she prefers Haste for her Retribution spec and Crit in her Holy spec (and is someone who enjoys the min-max game), then a single set of armor may not be optimal.

    For her healing set, let’s assume this player also has one ring with Spirit, a shield with Spirit, and a trinket that procs on heals. The trinket is almost useless in her Retribution set. The shield is also useless, since Retribution is designed to wield a two-handed weapon. The ring will be sub-optimal because Spirit is useless to a Retribution Paladin, but if it has another valuable stat (e.g. Haste), it may still be worth using—again depending on how min-max-focused the player is.

    A more casual player would probably be fine just using the trinket anyway and using a lower Item Level two-handed mace when she plays Retribution. A more min-max player would probably want separate rings, cloaks, trinkets, neck pieces, and weapons to use in the different specs. A very min-max player—such as someone competing in world-first Mythic raid progression—might even want different heads, shoulders, chests, and so on depending on the mix of secondary stats. This player might even swap out gems between the two specs.

    This may seem like a lot to take in now, but we’ll continue to watch feedback and answer any additional questions where we can. And again, keep in mind that as with anything still in development, this information or some of the details will likely change as we progress.

    As always, we welcome your constructive feedback, and we look forward to reading what you think.

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    Damn that's quite a lot to take in. There's some awesome changes and some weird changes but overall I think it's going to be interesting to see how it all ends up when WoD actually releases.
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    nice changes

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    Iiiiiinteresting. I like it, but it could get frustrating if you can't get good tertiary stats or sockets on all your gear.

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    I just think multi-strike sounds kinda silly, everything else is cool.

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    While I'm all for the primary stat change, it just seems like every expansion statwise they are just changing things for the sake of changing things. Loads of dev time must be wasted on this and I already forsee lots of this stuff changing in the expansion after WOD lol...

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    Even more reason they should not get rid of Reforging.

    Much easier to make a non-optimal piece of gear into a better piece of gear if that is all that keeps dropping in your group.

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    Thats a problematic concept, and appears not really thought-out. Soo in a 25 player raid, we got a bear, a tree, a cat, a rogue, a healing monk and a tanking monk... and they all have to roll at the same armor-pieces? ...does Blizzard really assume that works? The only upsides on this whole concept seems to be: You dont necessarily need new items for your other specs and most importantly: Blizzard needs to think less about loot-tables. And i hardly doubt the first thing really mattered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoundOfGuns View Post
    Thats a problematic concept, and appears not really thought-out. Soo in a 25 player raid, we got a bear, a tree, a cat, a rogue, a healing monk and a tanking monk... and they all have to roll at the same armor-pieces? ...does Blizzard really assume that works? The only upsides on this whole concept seems to be: You dont necessarily need new items for your other specs and most importantly: Blizzard needs to think less about loot-tables. And i hardly doubt the first thing really mattered.
    too to an extent about not needing another set, then again secondary stats like haste and what not will still need to be prioritized
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    I want to be fully geared with higher ilvl, gem sockets and tertiary stats. Wonder how long it will take

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spl4sh3r View Post
    I want to be fully geared with higher ilvl, gem sockets and tertiary stats. Wonder how long it will take
    You'll be competing with almost everyone else in your raid for the 0.1% drop rate stuff also, and I guarantee people WILL be loot hoarding for it.

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    What the...?
    So they remove reforging and simplify gemming to get rid of overcomplicated item preparation but then add a mechanic that makes you get a random enchantment on your items?
    That will only make people grind for perfectly enchanted items for most/every slots/slot. Imagine having to drop the SAME exact item few times because you wanted tertiary stat instead of ilvl enchant, or hell, even more than 1 of those additional enchants. That's a hell of new dimension of grind.
    That's awful.

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    I have a feeling that, instead of simplifying the system, it is becoming much more complicated...

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    sounds like the guy who was in charge of Loot for diablo is now on the WoW team, and look how good the diablo loot was at release.
    Random shit on items is not good, and it is not fun.

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    It will be interesting to see how this goes down in WoD and whether or not Blizz do a U-turn for the xpac after

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    Why don't they just drop shards/trophies from bosses and make us forge our own gear similar to D3 crafting while at it.

    The idea may be noble but the drama that this change is going to bring is going to tremendous. Think of it, half your raid consists of leather wearers, in case RNG screws you over you probably will be stuck with sub-optimal gear all-tier long regardless and this will be the icing over the cake considering loot drama due to these shared items having the elusive stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babywipe View Post
    too to an extent about not needing another set, then again secondary stats like haste and what not will still need to be prioritized
    Well... i much rather have to make a different set and collect armor pieces nobody else needs for my second spec, than having to fight with Warriors, Derp-Knights and other Paladins about the Stuff i need for Healing. This will make much more problems than it will solve in raids, i am convinced. I mean, we need to see how it turns out in the end, and what these silly new sub-stats actually affect... but currently tanks use mastery. Tons of it. Holy Paladins don't give a flying f*ck about anything but Mastery either once they got enough spirit, which is now considered a weapon-stat. Ergo; Instantly we got a huge problem since Heal-Paladins and Tank-Paladins and Tank-Dks will want the exact same items.
    Draaaaaven.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tahuun View Post
    What the...?
    So they remove reforging and simplify gemming to get rid of overcomplicated item preparation but then add a mechanic that makes you get a random enchantment on your items?
    That will only make people grind for perfectly enchanted items for most/every slots/slot. Imagine having to drop the SAME exact item few times because you wanted tertiary stat instead of ilvl enchant, or hell, even more than 1 of those additional enchants. That's a hell of new dimension of grind.
    That's awful.
    Not to sound like a negative nancy, but this is an easy way to keep people stick with the game for longer. Someone that only does LFR and gets a full set can just stop playing completely since they have nothing to do. Add things like this and it becomes attractive to keep grinding the LFR until your eyes bleed.

    (LFR/Flex/Normal/Heroic interchangable here)

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    nice. too bad that I intend to have a pure dps class as my main next expansion making the bulk of those changes rather inconsequential to me.

    curious how jewelcrafters will fare. sockets already seemed much more scarce this expansion and hardly stacked up against enchanting. while leveling gear didn't get that many enchants, there was and is certainly a market for entry level 90 gear and heirlooms being enchanted, gear that mostly has no sockets. Just seems like quite a disparity. Will we get "enchant sockets" on gear to balance the two or what's the plan?

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    That will only make people grind for perfectly enchanted items for most/every slots/slot. Imagine having to drop the SAME exact item few times because you wanted tertiary stat instead of ilvl enchant etc.
    That is precisely their objective, it will now take longer to get full BiS items (truly BiS I mean, with the exact secondary stats you are looking for) and thus players will keep logging in and playing.

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