A lot of it comes down to personal raid comp and how high your raid DPS is in regards to crystal value, which in my case is near zero. Sim results don't always equal raid results and personal value must be weighed in certain situations, in this case I'm mainly speaking about crystal value with raid DPS.
You simply cannot beat the amp/multistrike trinket at the moment under a 'real' progression situation. There are points where if you cheese a mechanic and stack super amounts of mobs up, tell your warlock, hunter, mage, monk and warrior not to attack anything that the cleave trinket pulls ahead; in most situations this isn't viable and everything dies so fast you want an improvement of single target damage not AE. We are very much a specialised class at the moment.
I don't know about the other guys but when I SimC my toon across like 25,000 iterations I almost always end up with "you need more haste" in my reforge plots, which when I reforge into haste, nets me with LESS dps then focusing on mastery (at my ilvl of 575).
You really need to look at the ACTUAL benefits of making a gear decision rather then saying "SimC told me so!".
Fenzied Crystal has a couple factors to consider no matter the raid comp. I'm not dismissing it claiming it's a horrible trinket, it's not. But if you have players who are capable of such strong output when cleave is needed then it's a lot easier to say "Okay I don't need the cleave trinket, let me use Toxic Totem instead for more output on the single target portion of the fight while still giving strong cleave."
In my honest opinion any third class to combo with an Ele / Warlock with cleave capabilities should bring more then enough dps output to allow yourself to consider Totem over Crystal. Be it a Hunter, Warrior, Boomkin, or Combat Rogue, etc etc. Warlocks are very strong overall so I consider them baseline in any heroic progression guild raid comp. Granted not all guilds hold these options, and everyone's raid DPS is different. If your guild is struggling with cleave damage then Crystal does 110% have a use, but unless you're struggling I'm unsure how much weight it has over Totem.
Most people do not realize the talent and skill it requires to be in a top guild. Many of you think its only about time invested, but that couldn't be further from the truth.
However, my response in fact was directed at you for the same reason you responded to mine; your original sounded like a blanket statement. You stated that the trinket was "trivial." I merely wanted to emphasize it has more value on 3 mobs than the Totem has on 1, and that anyone weighing whether or not to get rid of/pick up a Frenzied Crystal needs to consider the scenario at hand; the exact thing you advocated. I'm not advocating switching to Crystal solely for logs (notice I don't mention Klaxxi at all in my post), only when the cleave damage is actually useful in reducing the amount of time spent on an encounter (which is why I was cautious about Galakras).
In conclusion, you and I both had the same thoughts, and we both worded ourselves poorly.
Last edited by jimmyolsen; 2013-12-01 at 02:24 AM.