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    Quote Originally Posted by Nixx View Post
    I like this new pope more and more every time I hear about him.
    Same here, and I'm not even catholic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therionn View Post
    Cept for the fact that the Pope also stated...

    Near the end of the exhortation, Francis notes that the state has a responsibility to promote the common good through “the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity.” The key concept of subsidiarity in Catholic doctrine rejects Marxism and command economies, teaching that “a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order” (paragraph 1883). - See more at: http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Column....mna68Xcr.dpuf
    Subsidiarity means that the State should not interfere in achieving a goal where local means or the individuals can achieve that goal. However, if the individual cannot achieve that goal, then the State has to intervene and assist. If that goal is for the common good, of course. As an example, it is a moral obligation to help the poor. One can help the poor individually, but since it is not sufficient to achieve that goal, we have charitable organizations. However, even them are unable to do so. So the State has a moral obligation to lend assistance : by regulating working conditions and salaries, by helping the unemployed while they seek a new job, by helping them to get healthcare if they are unable to pay a doctor, etc. That is not marxism nor even socialism, since private initiatives still exist.

    That's why calling Obama a dictator or a communist just because he wants to establish a form of public healthcare system makes me laugh. It falls directly in line with the principle of subsidiarity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    Subsidiarity means that the State should not interfere in achieving a goal where local means or the individuals can achieve that goal. However, if the individual cannot achieve that goal, then the State has to intervene and assist. If that goal is for the common good, of course. As an example, it is a moral obligation to help the poor. One can help the poor individually, but since it is not sufficient to achieve that goal, we have charitable organizations. However, even them are unable to do so. So the State has a moral obligation to lend assistance : by regulating working conditions and salaries, by helping the unemployed while they seek a new job, by helping them to get healthcare if they are unable to pay a doctor, etc. That is not marxism nor even socialism, since private initiatives still exist.

    That's why calling Obama a dictator or a communist just because he wants to establish a form of public healthcare system makes me laugh. It falls directly in line with the principle of subsidiarity.
    Er.. What? I have said absolutely nothing about Obamacare.. So uh..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    No. Not end of story. What you said was that you always have to agree with the Pope if you're catholic.



    That proves you do not understand what papal infaillibility is all about. Since it has been used so little, then he is not always right. Therefore, you usually don't have to agree with the Pope.
    Like I said, it hasn't been used often. When it is the Pope cannot be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Therionn View Post
    Er.. What? I have said absolutely nothing about Obamacare.. So uh...
    Do I have to speak only about what you talked? Some people say obamacare is marxist, just like some people think that the Pope is proposing marxist doctrine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontenac View Post
    Do I have to speak only about what you talked? Some people say obamacare is marxist, just like some people think that the Pope is proposing marxist doctrine.
    But, only one of those is the topic. I'll bump the mega ACA thread for ya...
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    The Pope sounds like a swell guy to me. I am agnostic so it does not matter if I like or not I guess...>.>
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    Quote Originally Posted by apepi View Post
    The Pope sounds like a swell guy to me. I am agnostic so it does not matter if I like or not I guess...>.>
    Shouldn't that be 'I'm not sure if I like. I could like it, but there is a chance I don't. Both seem to be valid equally, so I'm not sure.'
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