AMD roadmap leaked, x86 possibly over for the high end.

[Fascinate]

http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/17...e-x86-business

What awful news for the enthusiast market. Obviously amd hasnt been keeping up with intel in recent years but at least there were options at the low end of the market. I guess this isnt surprising to anyone, just disappointing.

[chazus]

If you can't beat em..... give up?

To be honest, I was under the understanding that the enthusiast market (I.e. the FX line) was a poor profit area on the whole, and that the mobile/apu area was better because it outsources to OEMs. Also, there was this other thing...

PS4: AMD CPU, AMD GPU
XB1: AMD CPU, AMD GPU
Wii U: AMD GPU, IBM CPU

Nvidia: =(

It may be that AMD is simply starting to 'move on' to more profitable markets, or at least more secure ones. The PC market may become very volatile soon as computers become too powerful for the software, and GPU because the only upscaling hardware aspect. Consoles on the other hand will -always- be in demand, virtually forever.

[n0cturnal]

Hasn't this been known for years? I remember rumors about this after Bulldozer initially failed.
AMD has nothing to set against Intel in the enthusiast market so they will shift the focus to APUs.

[Toffie]

AMD has nothing to set against Intel in the enthusiast market so they will shift the focus to APUs.

Pretty much, Intel are too big for AMD to compete against in that level.

[Afrospinach]

Hasn't this been known for years? I remember rumors about this after Bulldozer initially failed.
AMD has nothing to set against Intel in the enthusiast market so they will shift the focus to APUs.

Yeah they keep popping up, I can't really believe it though. Maybe this road map is just an APU snapshot and not the whole picture.

[glo]

Honestly, it's not bad news regardless of how you look at it. Depending on how much of the mainstream desktop market they exit out of, Intel will likely be forced to split half of their x86 division off into their own separate company due to monopoly laws.

[Fascinate]

Oh snap i forgot i posted this thread.

This is my problem, i actually suggest the 6 core amd's currently over i3's because of how the new games seem to be scaling with CPU cores. If that roadmap is right all i see is APU's.....and that sucks for the people who build systems with 500-600 dollar budgets.

And in fact, if you live near a microcenter you can get a fx 4 core with a mobo for 96 bucks after tax, and no matter how much faster the i3 is than it i simply cannot recommend it with that massive price difference (80 bucks, i3 and a cheapo mobo).

[theWocky]

Well this is bad news...

While I am not a fan of AMD, this is bad for everyone 'cause it means Intel will just not be motivated to perform... or drop prices.

[Deleted]

Well this is bad news...

While I am not a fan of AMD, this is bad for everyone 'cause it means Intel will just not be motivated to perform... or drop prices.

AFAIK Intel has always been way more expensive anyway.

[pansertjald]

think its because of Mantle.

no need for a big cpu any more, if Mantle lives up to its promise.

takken from Guru3d "The idea is, regardless of having a dedicated graphics card, that all tasks that will run faster on a gpu, can be offloaded to one automatically by design."

[Toffie]

Looks like that roadmap was a fake.
http://www.gamersnexus.net/news/1240...pus-fx-not-eol

[chazus]

How is that any different? It just shows the current Piledriver/Vishera (FX-8350) continuing to 2015. No new processors for 2 years, and no indication of future improves or technology in that line looks a lot like EOL to me.

The only difference between those two roadmaps is one goes to 2015, and one ends at 2014, but provide essentially the same info.

[Toffie]

How is that any different? It just shows the current Piledriver/Vishera (FX-8350) continuing to 2015. No new processors for 2 years, and no indication of future improves or technology in that line looks a lot like EOL to me.

The only difference between those two roadmaps is one goes to 2015, and one ends at 2014, but provide essentially the same info.

The first one suggested no new FX CPU's until atleast 2016 while the real one shows no update until 2015.

While most people have drawn the conclusion that FX proccesors would die out, that is not the case.

[chazus]

I suppose not... But it still shows a largely 'meh' generation for two years, a quarter of which was cancelled,, and another two years of nothing new. It may not be EOL as far as hardware/roadmaps go, but it's certainly a soft EOL for a brand/line. AMD is not doing itself any favors right now with the roadmap and no mention of anything new.

[glo]

AMD enthusiasts also have the A10-7850K releasing soon. A true 4 core chip with hyperthreading, (much less module nonsense) that should (in theory) come very close to Haswell IPC. Why should it come very close? Because Richland got kinda close to Ivy Bridge with the A10-6800K.



Couple that with the fact that AMD is stating a 25% increase in IPC:

http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-a...ler-gcn-cores/

And by rough math, that single thread Cinebench score should be around 1.425, exceeding the IPC of an i3-3220. Couple this with the fact that it will support PCIe 3.0, native USB 3.0 and a bunch of other enhancements, the platform ends up very attractive. ALSO couple that with the fact that the chip will only cost $140~, is overclockable and should easily dominate an i3 in multi-threaded applications, and it becomes simply awesome.

I have no idea why Kaveri is getting so little press.

[n0cturnal]

AMD enthusiasts also have the A10-7850K releasing soon. A true 4 core chip with hyperthreading, (much less module nonsense) that should (in theory) come very close to Haswell IPC. Why should it come very close? Because Richland got kinda close to Ivy Bridge with the A10-6800K.

[.img]http://media.bestofmicro.com/0/8/387512/original/Cinebench.png[/img]

Couple that with the fact that AMD is stating a 25% increase in IPC:

http://wccftech.com/amd-kaveri-apu-a...ler-gcn-cores/

And by rough math, that single thread Cinebench score should be around 1.425, exceeding the IPC of an i3-3220. Couple this with the fact that it will support PCIe 3.0, native USB 3.0 and a bunch of other enhancements, the platform ends up very attractive. ALSO couple that with the fact that the chip will only cost $140~, is overclockable and should easily dominate an i3 in multi-threaded applications, and it becomes simply awesome.

I have no idea why Kaveri is getting so little press.

Keep in mind that the 3220 runs at 3.3GHz while 6800k runs at 4.1GHz.

[glo]

Keep in mind that the 3220 runs at 3.3GHz while 6800k runs at 4.1GHz.

That doesn't really mean much of anything. Different company, completely different architecture. The P4 Extreme from 2004 ran at 3.8 Ghz, faster than the i3-3220. Still doesn't mean anything.

[n0cturnal]

That doesn't really mean much of anything. Different company, completely different architecture. The P4 Extreme from 2004 ran at 3.8 Ghz, faster than the i3-3220, that doesn't mean anything either.

It does mean that the IPC is lower compared to the I3 than what that picture shows since it it running 24% faster.

[glo]

It does mean that the IPC is lower compared to the I3 than what that picture shows since it it running 24% faster.

You can't compare what processors of different architectures do during their clock cycles for a buttload of reasons. Here's a good read to help understand it better:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/...d-performance/

[n0cturnal]

You can't compare what processors of different architectures do during their clock cycles for a buttload of reasons. Here's a good read to help understand it better:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/...d-performance/

The only way to compare IPC is having the CPUs clocked at the same speed, you were talking about IPC right?