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  1. #201
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magarishun View Post
    No, you have to be at least decent. Just thinking you are good doesn't make you an elitist. 90% of the playerbase would be an elitist by that definition
    e·lit·ism
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    noun
    noun: elitism
    1.
    the advocacy or existence of an elite as a dominating element in a system or society.
    the attitude or behavior of a person or group who regard themselves as belonging to an elite.
    e·lite
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    noun
    noun: elite; plural noun: elites
    1.
    a group of people considered (by others or themselves) to be the best in a particular society or category, esp. because of their power, talent, or wealth.
    e·lit·ist
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    noun
    adjective: elitist; noun: elitist; plural noun: elitists
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    a person who believes that a system or society should be ruled or dominated by an elite.
    Google definitions. A player could very easily think themselves good when they aren't.

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    Good idea, but it needs to extend to trade/general chat. Ban the first person who belittles someone in either chat for 7 days. Maybe it will become usable again with the trash gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mionelol View Post
    I think your definition of elitist is completely rigged.

    I, myself, am one. Without a doubt. I absolutely hate playing with what I consider sub-par players, and as such, I try to have contact with them as little as possible. That means nearly never running flex/LFR/LFD.

    That being said, I'm also probably one of the nicest people around. When I do have to use such tools I'm just the silent person that does her job and never says a word for the entire run regardless of what I may think of the other players' performance. When some people ask me questions I try to answer it in whispers only as I very well understand how genuine answers could be considered as bragging from the wrong point of view. I've practically never seen drama in any of my LFDs or LFRs. While I'm sure the LFR community doesn't need me at all, I'm also fairly sure that I do have a positive impact on the groups I'm part of, as I have never experienced any of these LFR horror stories that get discussed so often.

    What you want to remove are badmouthers, regardless of their skill level or attitude. You do not need to trashtalk people to be an elitist, and you do not need to be good at the game to trashtalk people.
    Maybe elitist on some degree, but you aren't vocal about it. Thats what the huge issue is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo View Post
    This inferiority complex is absolutely pathetic, get a grip. If someones yelling at you your obviously doing something wrong, if you arent then they're just your typical douchebag that the ignore button is for.
    This. Use the ignore button. Blizzard can't fix a toxic community, don't feed the trolls, just ignore them. I ignored six people in my last LFR run (a coincidental record, normally I don't have to ignore anyone), I'm very happy to never have to encounter them again and they didn't ruin my fun. And battlegrounds... if there's one place people need to get yelled at it's a freaking battleground, people still middle-failing in most of them while it gives almost no rewards. I really wish Blizzard would just cave and give a team deathmatch mode so the people who cba with objectives can go fail in those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lime View Post
    Google definitions. A player could very easily think themselves good when they aren't.
    Kinda hard to think you are good while doing 40k DPS, ignoring mechanics, being refused to raid normals and being told you suck on a constant basis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    I know I would queue as casual. Then the casual queue can have lower ilvl gear, simpler mechanics, and lower HP for bosses. Then we could get in, see the content, and have fun playing. And, it would in no way be an insult to hardcores as the gear would be 15 points lower and they would not have to "carry" us.
    Is that really possible to do?

    Player A - [Hey, the boss is facing me now and he has his axe raised above his head. Also, the ground is turning a funny color and vapor is rising up. Bah, I'll just ignore it, its probably fine]"

    Player B - "Player A, why did you just stand in the [thiswillobviouslykillyouabilityX]?"

    Player A - "Everyone, vote kick player B he is an elitist!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    Well it's definition has already been posted 8x

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    YES.IT.DOES
    Knowing I am a better player than most in LFR doesn't make me an elitist... What makes me an elitist is if I thought I was superior to all players.

    You probably think you are superior to mentally handicap people. Does that make you an elitist? No, it makes you a realist. No one is "created" equal... We all have strengths and weaknesses. Some of us can clearly see our strengths and weaknesses, while others tend to view themselves as gods gift to mankind.

    Before you come back at me realize that I didn't once say I yell at, or belittle, anyone in LFR for being worse than me.

    You guys are thinking of douche bags and not elitists.

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    Also, Blizzard knows the community is full of 12 year olds or adults with the personality of a 12 year old, who don't know how to treat others with any respect. Why do you think your character gets randomized in the Pet Battles, and you cannot talk to others in the Pet Battles or Hearthstone. People just have no respect for strangers. It's really quite sad, and I have alot of pity for them.

  9. #209
    PvE is divided into LFR -> Flex -> Normal -> Heroic.

    Why not the same with Battlegrounds? 0 - 2200 -> 2200 - X

    Noobs hate to play with "pros" because they tell them what to do all the time and dont let you explore the game by yourselves, just do what they tell you to win, and "pros" hate to play with Noobs because they just wanna cap really quick.

    Making 2 BG brackets or just leave it at one that automatically connect players from the same PvP rating experience would make things alot easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    Kinda hard to think you are good while doing 40k DPS, ignoring mechanics, being refused to raid normals and being told you suck on a constant basis
    Honestly, I wouldn't, but there are a lot of people out there who think they're better than others when they aren't. It's a very common thing.

    Rather than thinking of it in WoW terms, try real life. Think about all of those people out there who think they're smarter than others. Forcing your views on someone for that reason alone is just as bad and is also called elitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnthal View Post
    If someone doesn't ask for help, that makes someone whispering them unhelpful and a douche for telling them " you are gemming wrong you should be gemming this way" Several times I've read responses from Blues where they say they want people to play the way they want and than you get people who tell you that you are doing it wrong and think they are helpful? really that is so flawed its not even remotely funny.
    So if you're doing something wrong and didn't know it, and someone came along and said "you could get better results from doing it this way" you would scream "WHATEVA I DO WHAT I WANT" to them? Yeah, you are what's wrong. Tossing out random tidbits of helpful info doesn't hurt; especially if the person who receives said info doesn't know that (s)he is doing it wrong. If you're gemming wrong on purpose, then by all means be a bad and act like a douche yourself in response to their advice.

    Some people are afraid to ask for advice, the fact that you want to deprive those people of getting advice is sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    I know I would queue as casual. Then the casual queue can have lower ilvl gear, simpler mechanics, and lower HP for bosses. Then we could get in, see the content, and have fun playing. And, it would in no way be an insult to hardcores as the gear would be 15 points lower and they would not have to "carry" us.
    If the mechanics were any simpler you'd be watching a youtube video, you can ignore 3/4+ of them and not die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    Well it's definition has already been posted 8x

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    YES.IT.DOES
    But its like, the OP is just a rambling rant which doesn't make much sense.

    Something tells me that Superman-BladesEdge had an arguement in a PuG because someone blamed him for wiping the group or something and he felt the need to make this thread. Its just confusing nonsense.

  14. #214
    i have a much better idea: #NoMoreCasualBaddies

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    Quote Originally Posted by urasim View Post
    Knowing I am a better player than most in LFR doesn't make me an elitist... What makes me an elitist is if I thought I was superior to all players.

    You probably think you are superior to mentally handicap people. Does that make you an elitist? No, it makes you a realist. No one is "created" equal... We all have strengths and weaknesses. Some of us can clearly see our strengths and weaknesses, while others tend to view themselves as gods gift to mankind.

    Before you come back at me realize that I didn't once say I yell at, or belittle, anyone in LFR for being worse than me.

    You guys are thinking of douche bags and not elitists.
    Thinking that your smarter than a handicapped person is not elitist. Telling that handicap person that you are and that they need to improve is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lime View Post
    Maybe elitist on some degree, but you aren't vocal about it. Thats what the huge issue is.
    well someone can easily take offense to being told how a mechanic works that killed them. does the person that told someone how a mechanic works become a elitist?
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    People doing below 200k dps? Ain't nobody got time for that.
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    Why? Why should content be gated behind skill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haizer View Post
    So if you're doing something wrong and didn't know it, and someone came along and said "you could get better results from doing it this way" you would scream "WHATEVA I DO WHAT I WANT" to them? Yeah, you are what's wrong. Tossing out random tidbits of helpful info doesn't hurt; especially if the person who receives said info doesn't know that (s)he is doing it wrong. If you're gemming wrong on purpose, then by all means be a bad and act like a douche yourself in response to their advice.

    Some people are afraid to ask for advice, the fact that you want to deprive those people of getting advice is sad.
    I won't offer advice anymore other than to my friends, been told "Go kill yourself" "I know what I am doing f off" etc way too many times.
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    someone must have been flamed hard for failing totally

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    I know I would queue as casual. Then the casual queue can have lower ilvl gear, simpler mechanics, and lower HP for bosses. Then we could get in, see the content, and have fun playing. And, it would in no way be an insult to hardcores as the gear would be 15 points lower and they would not have to "carry" us.
    Why don't you just watch a movie or read a book or something if you clearly don't care about being challenged in the game or anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redpanda View Post
    well someone can easily take offense to being told how a mechanic works that killed them. does the person that told someone how a mechanic works become a elitist?
    It would all depend on how it's worded. If it's as cut and dry as, "You died because you were stepping in the fire", then no.

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