It's so ass-backwards with respect to reality.
Get it into your head; most of the people crying and screaming and acting, per your definition, like elitists, ARE THE CASUAL PLAYERS.
The hardcore players just kill shit and keep quiet.
I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I like more than half of you more than you deserve.
Seriously if you mess up at something, more often than not the best thing you can do is try to improve, not challenge the people who called you out on it.
I totally agree with you that people flaming in LFR is anoying (why I always ignore and try to kick them.) But you can complain about it if your not even trying to get them kick (do you even mark them for vote to kick)? you might be amased at how often it work. =)
btw: if I see people yelling "kick player X he got so low dps" or something like that in LFR I generally try to vote to kick the person yelling instead =) (also super fun when they get kicked before player X) =)
Last edited by Lamelight; 2013-12-05 at 05:18 PM.
What about the second person who yells profanity? They obviously get kick protection, right? :P
So, I've taken the last 10 minutes or so to read over 99% of this thread.
I think the OP is the true definition of "elitist" that he is trying to ban out of his raids/BGs.
Yes, it is your time, your money, you can do with and feel entitled to having everything you want because you pay for it. But the same goes of the opposition, their money, their time, they can feel entitled to having everything they want because they ALSO pay for it.
It is, without a shred of doubt, ELITIST to want to ban or kick ANYONE for ANYTHING you don't like. You might be a king wanting to play with other kings. You might be a fucking moron wanting to play with fucking morons or anything in between. But trying to exclude anyone from any of the activities, because your don't want to deal with them, is elitist to the fullest extent.
You're also not trying to control elitism. You're trying to prevent assholism. I know that I'm a better player than most, not because of some intrinsic value I have, but because I am quite involved in the game and make it a point to try and be the best I can. Not everyone plays that way, which is understandable, but there is a baseline performance expected when you enter into certain content. And of course you're doing exactly what they're doing, which is forgetting that there are people on the other side of that screen. You don't get to play the game your way when you are relying on 24 other people and they are relying on you. If you want to play an intellect hunter with a melee weapon, do it on your own time.
That's what people don't understand when they come to LFR without having ever understood that raiding is about teamwork, not about yourself.
Oh and by the way, it's almost never "elitists" who mouth off and shit talk in my LFRs. Nine times out of ten it's the DK with an agi polearm sitting under the disc priest in DPS and is the first one to die every pull, trying to armchair coach the rest of the raid from the floor. The "elitists" aka the top 3 dps who do as much as the next 6 put together, generally roll in, silently put out buff food, summon healthstones, sit ready and waiting, hit yes for every ready check, don't fail mechanics, and most of the time make up for the abysmmal performance of selfish ignoramuses and the enablers that tell them "it's okay, it's just a game."
You're welcome for your loot, slackers.
Hmm . . . an artificially intelligent bot that autokicks assholes from the group . . . I wish.
Anyway, instead of not having set bonuses and all that crap, we used to take 10 or so people to LFR. Now we grab some people from another guild and hit flex for it. More for Valor Points and DPS epeen points than gear at this stage. Those LFR groups aren't getting boosts any more, and many other guilds are doing the same thing.
If you want to be crap and get carried through LFR, then fair enough. But when all that's left are people doing the same thing, just how far are you going to get?
While this is a great idea, I don't think it should be implemented. If we'd start removing elitists from battlegrounds or raids that would leave us with near empty battlegrounds and raids.
Just ignore them, that's really the best thing to do.
I think I might be a dungeon elitist levleing a tank atm and I yell at people for having taunt on their pets, warriors taunting for no reason, people not running etc. I do ask nicely first. Then the language gets a bit more ... creative.
Then again, if this little tank of mine ever reaches 90, I'm not sure I'd want to do LFR Why? I'm just a little caster in mostly pvp gear, and I have no notion of tactics, I mostly just dps boss/adds and move from bad stuff. Well... I've learned Downfall since the first time I went there, but I have no clue about tanking tactics, and people get so violent over tanks fucking up. I don't want someone like me to yell at me I have issues.
Also tell people to stfu in BGs.
BUT sometimes you do need people with a bit of a clue and the ability to speak up and call other people out on their mistakes, so I think I'm against OP's idea.
"elitists" think they are gods gift to the game, and will ruin the environment by belittling or qq'ing about how bad everyone is but themselves. and will never learn from their mistakes and better themselves.
you are absoluetely correct, and the OP is all about getting rid of the ones that absolutely need to be removed.
i will make no speculation about which of the two your post makes you sound, as it could honestly be taken either way.
Last edited by Bad Ashe; 2013-12-05 at 05:51 PM.