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  1. #1201
    Quote Originally Posted by Voolawl View Post
    ITT: OP got called out for being bad in a BG, and probably a few LFRs, and now everyone else who is bad and got called out sometime is backing him up.

    Nothing to see here.
    My, what an original post. In this post: Player has no constructive input and chooses to spam worthless dribble instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vegas82 View Post
    The biggest issue I keep running into is people saying, give them advice, help them get better. But when you try to do that they call you elitist, tell you to fuck off and try to vote kick you.
    We should not have to help them, but we should also live above the influence of just being a bully when they screw up. Call them out for their shortcomings and move on. Just be adult about it.

  2. #1202
    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    I think aside from a British person referring to a cigarette, it is a derogatory slang which should never be used. Just as bad as the N word for black people as far as I am concerned.
    So, in your previous statement, you're saying that the guy probably thought you were what a British person would call a cigarette?

    Just confused. Not a big deal, maybe I'm just not "thinking critically" enough.

  3. #1203
    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    It's constructive in calling to the groups attention or the players attention that there is a problem. Offering help I'll get ignored. People don't join LFR with the intention of teaching others, and you shouldn't expect them to. You should expect people to join random groups willing to contribute fully. People don't get better if they never notice an issue.
    You will always meet with trouble if you call someone bad. There are ways to point out bad play without sounding like an ass. That's what the OP was going for, but he failed on all levels to get that point across.

    Try sending a tell to someone saying they are bad and need to learn to play. They will tell you to fuck off and put you on ignore. Now try and send a tell that says "I noticed that your DPS was a little low for your gear level. Would you like some assistance in learning how to get better?". You will ether be greeted with "fuck you", "no thanks", or "sure".

  4. #1204
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigzoman20 View Post
    Let me guess,

    Was dodging AOE effects from the first boss in Stonecore too hard?
    Broken boss as example?

    I'm still seeing the dust cloud one place and boss actually jump another'

    Edit: he also said "dull" not "difficult"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voolawl View Post
    ITT: OP got called out for being bad in a BG, and probably a few LFRs, and now everyone else who is bad and got called out sometime is backing him up.

    Nothing to see here.
    I await your proof that I'm only backing the OP up because I'm bad and got called out. Your post isn't clever and it lacks proof for your claims. How about posting something that can be considered constructive?

    My turn:
    Your only posting here because the OP hurt your feelings and now you're very upset about it, so you're trying to be witty to get back at him. Nothing to see here.

    That's an equally moronic thing to say, but according to you, it's valid.

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  6. #1206
    Quote Originally Posted by Compstance View Post
    So, in your previous statement, you're saying that the guy probably thought you were what a British person would call a cigarette?

    Just confused. Not a big deal, maybe I'm just not "thinking critically" enough.
    Not sure you are thinking at all. At this point I can only assume you are trying to get a rise out of me to see if I am hypocritical and explode on you. So, allow me to explain more clearly.

    When someone uses the term "fag", it is derogatory. Unless they are British and happen to be specifically speaking about a cigarette. Using a slang term in a derogatory meaning while yelling at someone doesn't make you a man, it makes you sound like a bigot.

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    If your post was titled "Remove Jerks from Raids and Battlegrounds" then there is no problem and everyone is probably on board.

    Chances are someone simply offended you and rather than direct your anger and focus on a specific jerk you've decided to get angry at anyone who might be "elite" (read: decent at an old video game). Thus you've divided folks into groups and equated elite with jerk. One is either elite or not-elite. What a silly false dichotomy you've set up. It is almost as if you're praising mediocrity. Here's hoping you don't carry that attitude into everything you do in life.
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    So let's remove education and teachers from society, as being competent is obviously too hard for some.

    You're confusing rude people with those who want to actually play properly and whose gaming experience is negatively affected by lazy obnoxious tards who cannot be arsed to show at least some respect towards others by not sucking.

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    Time is the most valuable thing to me, I personally would rather not waste 10-20 mins of my life due to people who won't even put enough effort in themselves.
    I don't mind people who do low dps, healing or subpar tanking, but when people don't even know basic mechanics; think Ultraxion, Thok (phase 2) or Garrosh (Ironstars) I tend to get a little annoyed, since people seem to never bloody learn.

    Of course I rage, everyone rages at some point or another, for the most part I don't mind wiping, but I hate constantly wiping to the simplest mechanic that wouldn't be a problem if people watched a 10 minute video.

    I see my self as a middle man, since I can see both sides of the argument and to be honest like the casual nature of LFR, however still think that people should at least put in some effort to learning the fights, after all it is still a raid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Santoryu View Post
    So let's remove education and teachers from society, as being competent is obviously too hard for some.

    You're confusing rude people with those who want to actually play properly and whose gaming experience is negatively affected by lazy obnoxious tards who cannot be arsed to show at least some respect towards others by not sucking.
    The correct analogy would be remove teachers who shout and hurl abuse at children for not being competent.

    Which is a completely acceptable thing to do

  12. #1212
    Quote Originally Posted by PrairieChicken View Post
    Define elitist
    You will find several samples in the thread. Feel free to actually read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    You will find several samples in the thread. Feel free to actually read.
    Someone good at the game=/ being respectful

    You can play little and be a total jackoff unworthy of gracing Azeroth. Change it to remove jerks.
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    I'm ok with anyone who knows how to play the game even slightly well abandoning LFR and leaving the remaining 'I will play how I want' types to wallow in self-defeatism.

  15. #1215
    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    Not sure you are thinking at all. At this point I can only assume you are trying to get a rise out of me to see if I am hypocritical and explode on you. So, allow me to explain more clearly.

    When someone uses the term "fag", it is derogatory. Unless they are British and happen to be specifically speaking about a cigarette. Using a slang term in a derogatory meaning while yelling at someone doesn't make you a man, it makes you sound like a bigot.
    Oh, I understand that. Which is why I replied in the first place. You said the guy probably thought you were "a fag." Which is why I sought further clarification on why you believe being "a fag" is a justifiable insult or how being "a fag" would imply that you were a bad player.

    But again, you expect everyone to "read into" your posts, rather than simply being clear on what you're saying in the first place. Yes, we'll bow to your non-elitist agenda while you call everyone else lazy because you're terrible at proper communication.

    But hey, as long as you don't say "go kill yourself" you can say anything you want and nobody can get mad, right?

    Oh, my. You're a cute one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wych View Post
    The correct analogy would be remove teachers who shout and hurl abuse at children for not being competent.

    Which is a completely acceptable thing to do
    Shouting is fine, abuse isn't. You're not abused in raid/BG are you? Or do you take offense at what some random guy says to you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    You will find several samples in the thread. Feel free to actually read.
    Elitist is a catch-all phrase nowadays used by scrubs to describe those who aspire to play better than them.

  17. #1217
    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    You will find several samples in the thread. Feel free to actually read.
    Well there's an example of being a jerk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santoryu View Post
    Shouting is fine, abuse isn't. You're not abused in raid/BG are you? Or do you take offense at what some random guy says to you?



    Elitist is a catch-all phrase nowadays used by scrubs to describe those who aspire to play better than them.
    I don't take offence no, but some people do. Acting like an asshole and shouting doesn't help anyone

  19. #1219
    Quote Originally Posted by Compstance View Post
    --- Snipped for boredom---

    You're a cute one.
    I'm sorry. I haven't the time to explain everything I say in great detail to you. There are a hundred other posters who are obviously capable of understanding me. Feel free to ask others for clarification. Thanks.

  20. #1220
    Quote Originally Posted by Jettisawn View Post
    Well there's an example of being a jerk.
    No, he has made it very clear that there are only certain phrases that make you a "jerk" or an "elitist." Funny enough, he feels he's somehow able to define what those phrases are, and anyone that opposes him is wrong, lazy or lacks comprehension. Seems almost... elitist to me.

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