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    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    Now define what qualifies as an asshole. Does till the 37k dps they suck qualify as being an asshole?
    Being an asshole completely depends on how you word it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    Does not bothering to learn your class before you group qualify as being an asshole? You cannot throw around these all encompassing words, because what one person finds to be asshole behavior another may not.
    In LFR, not really. LFR is the first raiding stepping stone, so you can expect newer players. Expecting everyone to know how to play their class in a raid environment is almost as silly as hopping into RFC at level 15 and expecting everyone to know how to play their class.

    General assholes in raids: Peoples who bash others, people who afk for most of the run, and people who whine about any non-degrading helpful advice.

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    Elitist lost all meaning because of misuse of the word.

    Now people throw "elitist" left and right even to describe a player who gives an honest advice which they take as personal affront.

    Get a grip and use /ignore if you don't like it.
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    This is what a blizz blue said about charge and also they are putting pummel and disrupting shout on the same DR seriously blizzard its hard enough as a warrior to beat casters [...]
    in patch 5.4...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lime View Post
    Being an asshole completely depends on how you word it.

    In LFR, not really. LFR is the first raiding stepping stone, so you can expect newer players. Expecting everyone to know how to play their class in a raid environment is almost as silly as hopping into RFC at level 15 and expecting everyone to know how to play their class.

    General assholes in raids: Peoples who bash others, people who afk for most of the run, and people who whine about any non-degrading helpful advice.
    Even when I was new I still asked about the fights or glanced over the dungeon journal, to me not being prepared and causing repeated wipes is being an asshole.
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    LFR is the first raiding stepping stone
    How 'bout no.

    LFR does nothing but let you know that you can suck and still get epix. This needs to be remedied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    Even when I was new I still asked about the fights or glanced over the dungeon journal, to me not being prepared and causing repeated wipes is being an asshole.
    You can look at the dungeon journal and YouTube and still not completely understand mechanics. Not everyone learns at the same pace. Some people for instance will only learn from experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santoryu View Post
    How 'bout no.
    How 'bout yes.

    Regardless of your opinion on it, it's still a raid and it's the easiest difficulty. It is the first stepping stone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Automatic View Post
    He doesn't lack actual time, not as I read it. He lacks the time/want/impetus to explain his meaning behind every word he types to you.

    Now please. Either contribute to the discussion or stop winding him up. You're pretty effectively derailing a reasonably interesting thread just to wind him up.
    Yes, and that's what made it funny.

    My contribution was was noting that OP effectively made a thread against being rude to others, and then was rude to half the posters in the thread. His defense was basically that he can be "blunt" and say whatever he wants as long as it doesn't involve the phrase "go kill yourself." According to OP, virtually everything else was acceptable. Arguing that this is hypocrisy is contribution.

    It may not be what you wanted to hear, but it was contribution.

    And now that I've taken the time to explain these things to you which you could have found on your own: You're welcome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santoryu View Post
    How 'bout no.

    LFR does nothing but let you know that you can suck and still get epix. This needs to be remedied.
    The problem isn't with the fact that it drops purples. The problem is that you seem to have way too much attachment to the really shitty purples you get in LFR. Just because it's purple doesn't make it good.

    "good enough" maybe, but not good.

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    Regardless of your opinion on it, it's still a raid and it's the easiest difficulty. It is the first stepping stone.
    That's not my opinion, that's a fact - you can do NOTHING and get epics.
    This engenders all the wrong qualities required at higher difficulty levels
    And I'd refer to LFR as the tripping stone rather than a stepping stone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santoryu View Post
    That's not my opinion, that's a fact - you can do NOTHING and get epics.
    This engenders all the wrong qualities required at higher difficulty levels
    And I'd refer to LFR as the tripping stone rather than a stepping stone.
    You can do nothing in a flex and still get loot, it's just much harder. I guess flex isn't raiding either. And it is a stepping stone. Good luck being new and getting into a raiding guild without doing some LFR.

    Who cares if other people get epics, it's all about iLvl these days.
    Last edited by Lime; 2013-12-06 at 08:09 PM. Reason: changed raid into raiding guild

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    Good luck being new and getting into a raid without doing some LFR.
    That's what guilds are for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santoryu View Post
    That's what guilds are for.
    Raiding guild*

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    Raiding guild*
    Obviously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    You really enjoy passive agressive behavior. You should talk to a professional about that. Not healthy in my opinion.
    Criticizes passive aggression passive-aggressively. Fantastic.

    This forum needs a /votekick imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santoryu View Post
    That's not my opinion, that's a fact - you can do NOTHING and get epics.
    This engenders all the wrong qualities required at higher difficulty levels
    And I'd refer to LFR as the tripping stone rather than a stepping stone.
    Timeless Isle. Better gear and seriously do nothing other than loot chests and rares. I love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lime View Post
    You can do nothing in a flex and still get loot, it's just much harder. I guess flex isn't raiding either. And it is a stepping stone. Good luck being new and getting into a raiding guild without doing some LFR.

    Who cares if other people get epics, it's all about iLvl these days.
    Good luck doing nothing in Flex, people actually pay attention to peoples numbers and if they are doing what they are supposed to, nor can you ignore all the mechanics like you can in LFR........LFR is not even CLOSE to being a stepping stone to raiding anymore than Timeless Isle is (which btw gives you higher ilvl than LFR).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Compstance View Post
    Yes, and that's what made it funny.

    My contribution was was noting that OP effectively made a thread against being rude to others, and then was rude to half the posters in the thread. His defense was basically that he can be "blunt" and say whatever he wants as long as it doesn't involve the phrase "go kill yourself." According to OP, virtually everything else was acceptable. Arguing that this is hypocrisy is contribution.

    It may not be what you wanted to hear, but it was contribution.

    And now that I've taken the time to explain these things to you which you could have found on your own: You're welcome

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    Pointing out the hypocrisy in his rudeness in a post about being rude, whilst doing it rudely yourself is just a little ridiculous.

    You're making the same contribution many others have already made and is patently obvious. You're also doing it continuously over many many posts. It's your view, so I have no issue with you stating it, but the manner in which you do that and the frequency are needless. The thread has evolved since the OP. He may still be involved, but his notion has mostly been dismissed as a less than well thought out idea.

    I do appreciate you assuming I couldn't have figured that out myself. Or didn't already know. But you don't seem like an idiot to me, so I was actually asking you to contribute to the interesting part of the discussion which I would consider; Should people accept the aggression sometimes found in LFR? And why do so many players feel it is an acceptable response to failure? Should players take steps to improve that portion of the game by trying to help/educate under performers? Is civility welcome on the internet? Any of those take your fancy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santoryu View Post
    Obviously?
    I was saying I meant raiding guild rather than raid. A mistake on my part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerchunk View Post
    Criticizes passive aggression passive-aggressively. Fantastic.

    This forum needs a /votekick imo.
    Me first!

    I'm trying to go, but I keep ending up back in here!

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    Timeless Isle. Better gear and seriously do nothing other than loot chests and rares. I love it
    If you are serious I seriously wish Blizzard didn't cater to the likes of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lime View Post
    You can do nothing in a flex and still get loot, it's just much harder. I guess flex isn't raiding either.
    Guilds selling heroic carries prove that you can do nothing in Normal and Heroics too and get loot, therefore those aren't raiding either by the original logic.

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    I'm okay with an auto kick for yelling at scrubs if there is also a limitless kick that removes fucking inept pieces of shit from dungeons and raids as well.

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