Also, why is it my responsibility to tell these people what to do and how to do it? There's zero sense of responsibility ... in game and out.
My original, edited (added more) post since people probably wont go back a page to see it:
Step #1: Grow some thicker skin and maybe spend 10 minutes learning how to play instead of 10 minutes whining on forums
Step #2: Research your class and fight mechanics before join a raid with 24 other people. Elitists (aka the people carrying you through the raid) aren't there to hold your hand and most of these "elitists" wouldn't say anything if people:
a) didn't do stupid shit
b) pulled their weight
c) spend 20 minutes researching a fight / class and / or a wing of LFR (or whatever) before queuing and causing the raid to wipe for 4 hours
Step #3: See step #1
Casual is not an excuse for being stupid. I raid 2 nights, 3 hours each night for a total of 6 hours a week working my way through heroic content.
All of this political correctness is whats wrong with LFR. Take a hint, if someone says you're bad ... you're probably bad; and instead of whining and crying and having a tantrum on the forums crying foul, you should go learn how to play and how fights work.
Oh, and before the "I have a real life and I cant dedicate my time like you do to world of warcraft" excuse comes into play, I call bullshit; if you can spend 4 hours in a single, 4 wing boss of lfr wiping repeatedly - you can spend 20 minutes doing some research, watching some videos, and hitting a dummy to work out your rotation / priority so you don't look like a tool in a raid.
Follow those steps and I guarantee you'll see less and less people complaining about anything during a raid - you might even see some of those social aspects of the game come back when things go smoothly because people wont be complaining.
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I have no patience for that anymore, and I'm sure many others don't as well. As I said before, assholes, angry people, yada yada ... they'll all go away when people can queue for lfr and not be completely retarded (yes, I understand shit happens and that's not the retarded I'm referring to)Once. Be decent the first time. If they fail to change or improve, then kick them. All I am saying is, unbridled anger should not be the INITIAL response.
Assholes will remain in this game until the day it dies. It is the LAW of the internet (and live in general).
Having played this game for so long I have to sometimes hold back my inner rage when I see the same mistakes are made day in day out in LFR. As long as people are not causing the rest of the group major problems (like a DPS taunting the boss die get rez'd do the same again thus wasting a battle res we could have used on someone who would actually do something with it) then I let a lot of things slide (lowish dps for example I can handle so long as the boss dies and the DPS numbers are not stupidly low).
I will however try not to speak to people in game etc like complete trash. That right is reserved for my brother ;D long may the floor boss continue to wipe him!
It doesn't matter how you respond because its impossible to kick shitters. Anything seen as certifying another person's performance is "elitist" just as how in the past judging a persons talents was elitist. There is no way to kick a third of an LFR group because the moment you say anything you are buried in insults. Stop it with the "holier than you" stance you know that if I went into a group and said "kick the shit Mage can't dps at all" I would be called an elitist prick regardless of how bad the Mage is doing. Doesn't matter how you say it, the mouth-breathing community interpretes criticism the same way, so people get fed up and get angry.
Also, to die in LFR it takes multiple fuckups. More space for error means you need to be worse to fail, so by the time somebody managed to die it means they are doing something very wrong.
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Someone somewhere will find something to rage at. This is the internet. I had a smooth run on Saturday and I still got raged at as someone did not like the fact I had just got my legendary cloak. I shit you not. (some random in LFR said I was a shit cunt and didnt deserve the cloak as he had worked "harder" for his cloak)
Instead of trying to segregate some people, why don't you look at the problem itself?
The problem isn't people being douche to each other, the problem is Blizzard using the item level as the player "ranking" instead of creating a legitimate PVE score.
If you were matched with people of your own skill level, you would eliminate all these problems, and maybe introduce an incentive for people to get better.
Nobody, and I'm sure it's nobody, enjoy carrying people.
Although, MOST of the time it's some casual jerk (like the OP) who make it so unbearable to even step foot inside anything anymore. The people who don't care about gems, enchants, and just sit there expecting to be carried are the ones I hate playing with, and to top it all off they flame the good players when they say "please consider attending your gear and learning your spec". Why should I even bother helping casual noobs when they don't even bother helping themselves?
There are much more idiocrats in LFR, and they usually don't tolerate elitists and kick them in sight. No problem.
Now, it might be the case that all of those people are elitists.
Given the number of people in MMOC's LFR threads who talk about how they heal by dropping a mushroom, who advocate raging at mistakes, and who pull extra trash just to see how long they can do it before someone finds the person responsible, et cetera, yes, it's possible that I only want to kick elitists, because it's possible elitists are in fact the only thing that makes LFR unpleasant.
Yet enchants and gemming is not really an elitist thing. Its a not being lazy thing. With the websites and guides we have no a days that basically tell you want to put in and even just doing it for you it is nothing but being lazy.
After all there is nothing that requires elitism in Lfr. It just requires ppl trying instead of being carried. Just imagine all 25 ppl being that way.
Perhaps have a system that will detect vicious behavior in chat and will remove them from the LDR, but at the same time perhaps a more valuable system would be to kick those who are not doing the minimum required DPS/HPS to complete the encounter before the enrage timer.
Don't get me started on whether or not the system should include dispels, and interrupts lol.