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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowtwili View Post
    PS. I do not think the San'layn are a realistic subrace for the Sin'dorei, I mean if they are allowed to rejoin the Sin'dorei, what is stopping all the Dark Rangers and Forsaken High Elves from leaving Sylvanas and returning to their home? Especially those that might've been freed after the Lich King's death, or those that never felt any loyalty to Sylvanas to begin with.

    Still getting the hang of these forums, btw! since this was double posted :S
    the Sunwell is a source of sacred magic. the sacred magic damages undead, and blood elves hate undead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    the Sunwell is a source of sacred magic. the sacred magic damages undead, and blood elves hate undead
    By that logic any Death Knight or Forsaken would die instantly within range of Quel'thalas, and Lor'themar would quit the Horde immediately considering Sylvanas' presence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhlor View Post
    the Sunwell is a source of sacred magic. the sacred magic damages undead, and blood elves hate undead
    Undead are actually the only "race" Blood Elves accept in the Horde. They have (/had) similar ideas and goals.
    (From a lore point this is)

    While they despise most other races, they have come to accept that the Forsaken are different, or at least share the same goals as the blood elves.
    (http://www.wowwiki.com/Blood_elf)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nalira View Post
    Undead are actually the only "race" Blood Elves accept in the Horde. They have (/had) similar ideas and goals.
    (From a lore point this is)

    (http://www.wowwiki.com/Blood_elf)
    that is severely outdated.

    theres no love around quel'thalas for the forsaken these days
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    that is severely outdated.

    theres no love around quel'thalas for the forsaken these days
    Based on the conversations between Sylvanas and Lor'themar in SoO, there is definitely tension but I wouldn't go as far as to call it hatred. I think at this point they both accept that they are members of the same Horde and are capable of coexisting. Besides, I think players have had enough interfaction conflicts as of late, it would be nice for the Horde to be a nice stable family again.
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    we will be ugly orcs then :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    Based on the conversations between Sylvanas and Lor'themar in SoO, there is definitely tension but I wouldn't go as far as to call it hatred. I think at this point they both accept that they are members of the same Horde and are capable of coexisting. Besides, I think players have had enough interfaction conflicts as of late, it would be nice for the Horde to be a nice stable family again.
    i think they should save sylvanas for a nathrezim expansion since those guys are super into necromancy and stuff. maybe she finds some super undead magical artifacts that makes her think she can take on the horde and alliance and stop pretending to be nice to people.

    unless they end up trying to turn whatevers under tirisfal into an expansion
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    Based on the conversations between Sylvanas and Lor'themar in SoO, there is definitely tension but I wouldn't go as far as to call it hatred. I think at this point they both accept that they are members of the same Horde and are capable of coexisting. Besides, I think players have had enough interfaction conflicts as of late, it would be nice for the Horde to be a nice stable family again.
    nope I want to dethrone the king now in a raid. or something similar. how about tyrande? recently shes been bat shit nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skayth View Post
    nope I want to dethrone the king now in a raid. or something similar. how about tyrande? recently shes been bat shit nuts.
    varian is pretty peaceful. besides his rough patch after all the slavery stuff hes always been the one to try and find a peaceful solution whenever possible, anduin is more like his father than alot of people think.

    as for tyrande, shes always been pretty hotheaded and the night elves tend to be a bit douchey and xenophobic in general but she will probably calm down since saurfang will keep the orcs in check and wont let them run rampant in ashenvale and just have them stick to the plots of forest the night elves let them use.

    out of all the alliance leaders id say genn is the most likely to have horde vs alliance stuff going on with gilneas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    I'm not bending the lore. I'm simply adhering to the lore that we have and I have reasons for it. Why else do you think I went on a rant about the Orc story progressing, so on and so forth. It wasn't just for fluff. I did it to emphasize reasoning why it shouldn't happen. As for the Blood Elves they NEEDED some type of energy source due to withdrawal from the destruction of the Sunwell(I almost called it Sinwell). So they resorted to demonic magic hence their green eyes. The Quel'dorei still exist because they went to other ways. They didn't use demonic ways thus Lor'themar kicked them out because he didn't want a divided nation(As his reasoning).

    They don't need to do that now because they have a Arcane/Holy Light Sunwell so they're fine. The Fel Orcs at the Portal is still likely an error that Blizzard still hasn't fixed. I can also say it isn't brought up because other things are forgotten(Draenei lore for x amount of years). So really I'm not bending the lore. I gave my reasons. Redundant yes but I did not make the long post up for shits and giggles.

    I'm not THAT bored.
    He's correct in that they thought they needed it to survive at the time, and truth be told, fel is very powerful stuff. It allowed them to drive back the Scourge in their homeland. It's also a form of energy that is nigh irresistible. The high elves survived through relying on the ley energies in Dalaran and Moonwells outside it. It's doubtful the blood elves could've relied on one or two arcane sanctums that they had left, and drive back the Scourge. Remember, the role of the Forsaken was by and large to provide strategic guidance, so the blood elves still had to do much of the gruntwork, particularly the Magisters and the blood elf 'hero'. Then you had Kael'thas and his campaign on Outland.

    I don't see them or the orcs (and surely not the Forsaken) giving up fel any time soon, not when the Alliance is now more openly tolerating it. It is powerful magic. The sin'dorei may not use the verdant crystals any more, but there's nothing to say they have begun shunning fel.

    If felbloods had some inextricable link to the Legion, and were orders of magnitude more powerful than, say, a sin'dorei warlock (which is already powerful; bear in mind the blood and high elves are described as slightly more powerful than most other playable races in the WRPG, thus why they level a bit more slowly), like the Eredar are, I'd say it's a bad idea, but they're not and a rationale can more easily be put together than, for example, Tauren paladins being druids devoted to the sun. Ditto for the San'layn. The fact that felbloods are free-willed implies they have the choice not to join the Legion, anyway, and as I said, there's very little up to date lore to suggest using fel implies courting with the Legion. There's even demons who refuse to bow to it.

    Fel orcs on Outland also did not serve the Legion by and large, but Illidan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Immitis View Post
    saurfang will keep the orcs in check and wont let them run rampant in ashenvale and just have them stick to the plots of forest the night elves let them use.
    Until they deplete those resources and somewhere else needs to be pillaged. Orcs don't tend to replant trees after they cut 'em down.

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    Yes, it was awesome to discover Illidan was using his water from the Well of Eternity to provide a substitute for his demonic servants, and it's cool to see the green fire of the legion's demons is absent in the Illidari, as if they actually paid heed to that detail back in 2006, or if it was just a convenient coincidence they worked into the future lore.

    I guess when it comes down to it, warlocks doing this, even if it's temporary, kind of turns these objections into shakey ground for me.



    Context is very tricky and needs to be maintained however in each case. It's certainly a challenging topic to try and dissct and I think worthy of good conversation, I appreciate your in input, Aeluron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanxys View Post
    We NEED Felblood Elves as a Blood Elf sub-race!



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    hows about you give half your money to africa because you have more than them, and it's not balanced
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    Fairly late to the party here, but those are well done props to you! Would be interesting to get actually updated mount models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    By that logic any Death Knight or Forsaken would die instantly within range of Quel'thalas, and Lor'themar would quit the Horde immediately considering Sylvanas' presence.
    not kill them but if damaged, causes pain.

    Lorthemar hates elves undead, willing to fight if sylvanas revived their dead in Orgrimmar

    repit the San'layn are evil and cannibals. they should be sub-race of the forsaken because they are Evil and cannibals

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    Based on the conversations between Sylvanas and Lor'themar in SoO, there is definitely tension but I wouldn't go as far as to call it hatred. I think at this point they both accept that they are members of the same Horde and are capable of coexisting. Besides, I think players have had enough interfaction conflicts as of late, it would be nice for the Horde to be a nice stable family again.
    lorthemar final siege of ogrimmar said horde player

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaladhrun View Post
    bear in mind the blood and high elves are described as slightly more powerful than most other playable races in the WRPG, thus why they level a bit more slowly)
    Just so that you know: Warcraft RPG books are non-canon. You've been citing them few times already. I'm not denying that Elven Magisters are more powerful than an average mage from other races, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomdude17 View Post
    Death knights were completely controlled by the Lich King... Felbloods willingly bathed in demon blood, and i don't think all races NEED to have equal number of sub races or even a sub race, What i'd propose is races that share a slot to the races which they are culturally closest too, but they'd also have their own class restrictions. my choices would be:

    ---Alliance---

    Stormwind: Humans and High Elves (same classes, BE model with blue eyes, maybe minus Warlock), Warlocks, priests and death knights could also get the Cultist type skins.

    Dwarves: Bronzebeard (Paladin, Warrior, Hunter, Mage, Rogue, Priest, Monk, Death knight)
    Wildhammer (Warrior, Hunter, Shaman, Rogue, Monk)
    Dark Iron (Warrior, Warlock, Hunter, Rogue, Monk, Mage)

    Gnomes: Uh... Gnomeregan gnomes? (Should get paladins)

    Night Elf: Kaldorei Highborne (Paler skin, blue glowing eyes, can't be druids, death knights or priests)

    Draenei: I don't know if they should get Broken as they require a new model, in case they should then...
    Broken: (Rogues, Shaman, Warrior, Mage, Monk, Hunter)

    Worgen: get gilnean humans.
    Gilnean: (Druid instead of Death Knight, can't transform to Worgen. Even if Harvest Witches are tipically weaker than normal Druids, they are capable of shapeshifting, and have recently been studying with the cenarion circle.)

    ---Horde---

    Orcs:Green orcs
    Mag'har (Shaman, Hunter, Warrior, Mage, Monk, Rogue)
    Blackrock/Dragonmaw (Same as green orcs, they blackrocks get tattoos)

    Trolls: Darkspear
    Revantusk (I don't know if they should implement bulkier trolls, but this tribe makes sense, same classes)

    Tauren: Grimtotem (Rogues, Mages, Warlock, Warrior, Hunter, Facial tattoos)

    Goblins: Just bilgewater.

    Forsaken: Lordaeron/Gilnean (Same classes, plus paladin)
    High Elven (Same classes, softer decay and upright pose, elven ears, blue eyes)

    Blood Elves: They stay the same.
    uhm/... this is horrible.. human& high elves? they are not even the same race? same model with blue eyes? dude get out of here!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    Just so that you know: Warcraft RPG books are non-canon. You've been citing them few times already. I'm not denying that Elven Magisters are more powerful than an average mage from other races, though.
    They're de-canonised because Blizzard can't endorse everything within them. What they are in effect saying is that there's parts of them they can't agree with any longer; they're not saying everything in them as wrong; I think this has been mentioned in a couple of blues before. Things like the lore in them on the nature of the arcane, for instance, might since have been revised. So they will have to re-visit them one day and decide what is and isn't canon.

    I also don't tend to take things like the race weight/height tables or ageing tables seriously, because it's often stuff that is contradicted by the concept art, models or other pieces of lore. However, I do tend to think the stats are one of its better parts, and a good indicator of the relative power of the races. Thus why I say the Eredar are quite clearly several orders of magnitude more powerful than, say, the draenei, or indeed any of the playable races.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    uhm/... this is horrible.. human& high elves? they are not even the same race? same model with blue eyes? dude get out of here!
    not all sub races have to literally be sub races.
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    More variety in real life human physical appearance derives from diet than from any sort of genetic difference. It wouldn't be too outlandish for human "subraces" to be based around body types or animations. A human rigged with an undead skeleton, or an orc skeleton would probably be sufficiently different for people who wanted a subrace.

    Halfbreeds could be interesting, but halfelves are a tad boring (sorry Elrond)
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