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    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    Made one a few hours ago

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    More like your standing up thing.
    Like the regular, Mag'har Orc, Death Knight skin, and the Dragonmaw Orc.

    Any chance for lore to have Female Fel Orcs?
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    Bhahahawahaha. That's hilarious. You are a legend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thaladhrun View Post
    The awkwardness and stiffness in the male models and the bounciness of the female ones. The casting animations for male NEs are hideous. I bet if Blizzard were to conduct research on how many male NE are played relative to females, particularly for casters, it'd be a slither. Maybe they already have done so.
    I love the male nelf, they just need their stiffness adjusted and their distribution of weight/center of gravity tweaked. Which we've seen them do now with every new model, ESPECIALLY dwarves. So I don't get your trepidation. I also don't get why everyone and their mother hates any casting animations, let alone the Night Elf one most of all. What is the scale of reference you people use for casting quality? I mean, how many ways can a being channel their focus into energy in their hands? And why does it look bad or good?

    Concerning the weight distribution, I first noticed what a radical difference is made in their model when they created the map opening animation.


    Seeing my Night Elf spread his feat slightly apart and tilt his head and arms naturally in an asymmetrical pose with a center of gravity that made sense brought him to life in a new way for me. And he looks funny reading with a blind fold on. Also, if you have a cape showing, and sit in a chair while reading, it looks like you have your pants down around your ankles while squatting on a toilet reading the newspaper. Specifically the mushroom stool you can summon from the Firelands. Yes, I am that juvenile.

    The first time my nelf warrior cast hearthstone in 2004, I was like "WOW COOL! LOOK AT THOSE LITTLE LEAVES FLOATING AROUND MA HANDZ!!!! and I liked how he was like focusing a ball of energy down in front of his face ready to release it.

    I see people making so many annoyed opinions over casting animations and I just don't get it. Some look cooler than others but they all look like someone is casting a spell to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    Though the "No announcements (:" sounds a little teasy to me. He knows very well that sub-race skins is something we would kill for, but he's made it clear that they want to make sure they get the base models 100% right before they move on with other stuff. Let's see what they have to say once the model revamp is complete (:
    He also mentioned he can't wait to show us the things they are ADDING AFTER RELEASE in WOD's lifetime. I wonder what that could be, hmmmmm. Either new hair/tats, new ethnic sub race skins, or tweaked body types like orc backs, or a little of all. What else do we ask for all the time?

    That said, we’ve also read your great ideas and feedback about features that you’d like to see as character customization options. Your collective voice matters to us, and we’d love to bring some of the coolest ideas to life someday if we can. We’ll continue to share behind-the-scenes information with you in these Artcraft pieces, and I look forward to giving you more insight into our plans for character models beyond the initial release of Warlords of Draenor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    Since the Revantusk Tribe is already in the Horde, I don't see why not
    I forgot they use the Amani model.

    Man so many old Troll areas are going to look better when they revamp the troll model.

    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    A few Blue posters have said that it's not the case, but they haven't shot it down completely, in fact sub-races are something they are really interested in doing once they are finished with the model revamp.
    They said character customisation options are something they're interested in doing, not sub-races specifically.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    No I didn't. I just think using that old statement that Blizzard made against them every time is passive aggressive. It's really not cool to see people use that against them as if it's ammo.
    Bless you for seeing past these context games, it's a plague on our culture next to fallacy being accepted even in presidential debates.
    There's a lot more to it than "a new raid", and it's just used to fuel flippant bitter passive aggressive quips now the majority of the time it's cited. A blue even had to come out and clarify what it meant because of the paradoxical way the fanbase takes everything as literally as possible to a fault, while twisting context into something as sinister as possible to a fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Klaxxar View Post
    More like your standing up thing.
    Like the regular, Mag'har Orc, Death Knight skin, and the Dragonmaw Orc.

    Any chance for lore to have Female Fel Orcs?
    Lorewise I think there's no reason for there not to be females, probably just didn't want to make a female model.

    Until this very moment it never occurred to me that the Fel Orcs in Outland are all male.
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    Watch. Beta's gonna hit and we're all going to be picking our jaws up off the floor at the customization options available--face paint, scars, beards, jewelery, tats, subraces.

    Okay, maybe not that much, but right now I'm putting my money on at least the Wildhammer dwarves and Mag'har orcs available as skin options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Lorewise I think there's no reason for there not to be females, probably just didn't want to make a female model.

    Until this very moment it never occurred to me that the Fel Orcs in Outland are all male.
    Fel Orcs during sex probably killed the female
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Fel Orcs during sex probably killed the female
    Pfft my female Orc could take anything they got.

    ...okay that just got a bit weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    Watch. Beta's gonna hit and we're all going to be picking our jaws up off the floor at the customization options available--face paint, scars, beards, jewelery, tats, subraces.

    Okay, maybe not that much, but right now I'm putting my money on at least the Wildhammer dwarves and Mag'har orcs available as skin options.
    I get the impression they're doing core models for now and customisation will be after all models are done, so I think there's a decent chance we won't see it until after beta.
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    i think the three things we are most likely to get in order are

    1. more racial skins: because they are making them anyways so it makes sense that they end up making them available.

    2. tattoos: theyve mention tattoos/scars so many times now and i think one of the devs said its their most wanted feature to be added so i think once they finish the models we might see "tattoo shops" as either a new feature or a new little section in the barber shop. not to mention tattoo textures dont take that much time to make in the first place and dont have to change the model at all

    3. more facial hair options for different races: theyve already confirmed at blizzcon that they have a bunch of new hairstyles coming out next expansion but facial hair is the least likely to be put in because of the new bones they would require. if we get dwarf esque beards on all the males i think it would be alot of work so thats why this is the least likely.
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  10. #1370
    Quote Originally Posted by Hellspawn View Post
    Well I hope they can make the bounce IDLE Animation a bit less silly, its more the faceanimation there that look a bit silly imho.
    But then, nightelf females got at least the flip jump!
    Fucking fuck that stupid bounce. I'm not getting my hopes up.

    In my universe she'd be cracking her knuckles and punching her fist into her palm, holding her chin high with arrogance and standing like a proud Masai warrior with her hands held back in fists, then maybe noticing in the corner of her eye one of her hairs was out of place she suddenly has to fix and smooth back into style before going back to her mean warrior pose. Both humor and a nod to Night Elf savagery and beauty without turning them into ditzy teenage cheerleaders. In my world,...

    Would love to see in a world gone wild with no boundaries customization based idleness, you have a braid? Sometimes you grip it in your fist and tug it in frustration or boredom. Night Elf female gripping her over the shoulder braid would look awesome.

    But dwarves, oh sweet-sweet dwarves. Gripping their beards and tugging them in frustration or idleness, stroking their beards in thought. I love /emoting these things while RPing.

    Leaning on your stave, planting the tip of your sword int he ground and leaning on it, holding your weapon over your shoulder, resting it on your back,.... weapon context sensitive idle animations if they're not sheathed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Lorewise I think there's no reason for there not to be females, probably just didn't want to make a female model.

    Until this very moment it never occurred to me that the Fel Orcs in Outland are all male.
    There is filespace in the model viewer for female fel orcs, but they never made it live, and all thats there is an untextured fel orc, the same goes for female broken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Klaxxar View Post
    More like your standing up thing.
    Like the regular, Mag'har Orc, Death Knight skin, and the Dragonmaw Orc.

    Any chance for lore to have Female Fel Orcs?
    Haha I'll make a better one, I'll admit the one I made earlier was a little shoddy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    I get the impression they're doing core models for now and customisation will be after all models are done, so I think there's a decent chance we won't see it until after beta.
    Maybe. Either way, the rebuilt models alone are a godsend, and I'm already cooking up alt ideas. So far I've got a female orc shammy (boosted 90) and my paladin's turning into a human lass. I like my hunter and monk as they are, but my rogue could use a new skin--I'll have to see how the night elf and blood elf models turn out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zomp View Post
    I really want to know what those black things on my priests face are. :/ Make up? Scars? Rotting eye fluid?
    I always imagined it was make up, like the Crow. Tattoo or grease paint, cremation ashes, whatever floats your boat. In my RP flag RSP descriptions over the years my Forsaken usually smell of overpowering pungent funeral incense and funeral herbs from embalming to keep their scents not so bad. I love that kind of stuff.

    My forsaken frost mage used to lean on his staff all the time, his vice like grip held high on his stave barely keeping his skeletal remains upright and he drooped with weak posture, longs streams of chilled frosted air flowing from the vacant holes in his skull like a waterfall of fog rolling down around his body, swirling, broiling and dissipating, gathering at his feet in a pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    Maybe. Either way, the rebuilt models alone are a godsend, and I'm already cooking up alt ideas. So far I've got a female orc shammy (boosted 90) and my paladin's turning into a human lass. I like my hunter and monk as they are, but my rogue could use a new skin--I'll have to see how the night elf and blood elf models turn out.
    Here's hoping for getting a playable Draenei male at long last!

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    Happy how this turned out



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    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    Mmm, I don't think it makes any sense to reskin a Night Elf to a High Elf.

    IMO they will either make High Elves a full race, or not make them at all.
    It would not be a reskin I'd guess. It would be a remodel, or rather a re-rigged model to make more sense that is a different mocdel but part of the same racial selection, hidden in Night Elf options or hidden in Human options based on where they live and start out at level 1.

    If they end up giving orcs a new upright posture, it will be similar but not so radical.

    And this is only assuming because they have to have a niche somewhere in the Alliance. There's a problem here you don't seem to recognize or value.

    They are not a strong enough concept next to blood elves to warrant being a totally new player race, it would be kind of lame, even given all new animations and idle postures based on the Blood Elf model with variations in the face of something radical and new. So really the only realistic option is to somehow get them onto the Alliance without being a new expansion player race, and it seems to work well as an idea for people who either also live in Stormwind or also live in Teldrassil. There is a logic to this. Subraces give a logic to this, it's far fetched, but there is a logic to it.

    They will NEVER be a full race, imo. Even with totally different models to look like a different Blood Elf with blue eyes with all new animations, it's just not "new" enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yig View Post
    It would not be a reskin. It would be a remodel, a different model.
    If they end up giving orcs a new upright posture, it will be similar but not so radical.
    And this is only assuming because they have to have a niche somewhere in the Alliance. There's a problem here you don't seem to recognize or value.

    They are not a strong enough concept next to blood elves to warrant to be a totally new player race, it would be lame, even given all new animations and idle postures based on the Blood Elf model in variations in the face of something radical and new. So the really only realistic is to somehow get them onto the Alliance without being a new expansion player race, and it seems to work well as an idea for people who either also live in Stormwind or also live in Teldrassil. There is a logic to this.

    They will NEVER be a full race, imo. Even with totally different models to look like a different Blood Elve with blue eyes with all new animations, it's just not "new" enough.
    Not to mention, lorewise, High Elves are functionally extinct.

    As a people, the high elves are all but extinct: the remnants of the remnants of a fallen race.[4] Though without any official leader, Vereesa Windrunner (the younger sister of both Sylvanas and Alleria) leads one of the few organized high elf collaborations, the Silver Covenant, as its self-styled Ranger General. Auric Sunchaser, a captain of the remnants of Alleria's ranger cadre found in Terokkar Forest, serves as the high elven representative at the restored Sunwell in modern Quel'Thalas.
    I'd say the High Elven population of Azeroth is < 500 at this point, nowhere near enough to warrant being playable by players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Callei View Post
    Watch. Beta's gonna hit and we're all going to be picking our jaws up off the floor at the customization options available--face paint, scars, beards, jewelery, tats, subraces.

    Okay, maybe not that much, but right now I'm putting my money on at least the Wildhammer dwarves and Mag'har orcs available as skin options.
    I hate to be the bearer of bad news, I thought they'd outdo expectations as well, but we have this.


    Still, Blizzard often goes out of their way in places nobody expected. Map opening animations for instance. One never knows. But I think they will be around in WOD's lifetime. They already tried Wildhammer tattoos in the beta for Cata for a few weeks, and changed all grey skinned dwarf skins to have red eyes.

    They've had 3 separate interviews in the last 2-3 years where they said they want to and plan to giving us some of these eventually, they just aren't sure when or how.
    The model updates seem the perfect time now for it. I think WOD will be known in history for many model and customization options being expanded upon once all is said and done. They need to both catch up to their competition while also keeping their restrictions in place for the logical reason they do in the first place.

    We could have had body sliders and face sliders in 2004 if Blizzard wanted to give them to us. Plenty of MMOS with shittier graphics engines did it in 2004 and before. They did what they did for very specific reasons, and i don't see them deviating too far from that ever, but maybe a a little bit. But new hair? New skin colors? New jewelry? That's all a pretty safe bet. Plus they had expressed a desire to give us "proper" orc posture as an option on their wishlist soon, which opens options for many hopes and dreams.

    I just wanna see this face given an permanent Cursed Vision of Sargeras blind fold you can customize the color of: red, black, purple, etc, instead of being a tattoo. And if it is warpaint or a tattoo in the update, well, it will still look cool. But I'm dying to see if they even dare go that direction.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shoc View Post
    Not to mention, lorewise, High Elves are functionally extinct.



    I'd say the High Elven population of Azeroth is < 500 at this point, nowhere near enough to warrant being playable by players.
    I don't think that's a factor. The Goblins we play are part of a very small remnant of survivors that aren't members of the cartels we see all over the world. And our DKs hardly number that many either when you consider lore. Arthas didn't have thousands of sentient DKs IMO, maybe 1000 or so.

    I don't think high elves are as scarce as people make them out to be. Certainly they are scarce, compared to Blood Elves especially, but we can play them if Blizzard wanted to do it i think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yig View Post

    I don't think that's a factor. The Goblins we play are part of a very small remnant of survivors that aren't members of the cartels we see all over the world. And our DKs hardly number that many either when you consider lore. Arthas didn't have thousands of sentient DKs IMO, maybe 1000 or so.

    I don't think high elves are as scarce as people make them out to be. Certainly they are scarce, compared to Blood Elves especially, but we can play them if Blizzard wanted to do it i think.
    I suppose so. I guess the only real issues with High Elves would be to incorporate them as an interesting playable race that isn't just a reskin of Blood Elves. I think a solution to this, though it would take a retcon, would be to make High Elves more human-like, and incorporate them as a Human sub-race. Something like Kalec's Half Elf form is what I have in mind. It's a stretch, but it could be explained that maybe the Blood Elves alternative energy sources made them slender-er.

    The only other option would be to create High Elves as a regular playable race, but the amount of people screaming rehash would be deafening.

    They should have just made Elves a neutral race in BC that got to choose between High/Blood Elves and saved the Draenei until later.
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    I don't have any interest in human looking elves. So I hope not.

    I want to see them with an altered posture and some custom animations to reflect their more heroic and valiant personality as a shadow to the snooty and flippant pose and animations of the Blood Elf.

    As I keep posting this image, something like this with Pandaren fidelity.

    I see it as either something breaking precedent, included as a variant Night Elf, as technically they are just a cousin of the night elf and variant of their species and Teldrassil would be a perfect starting place for them as well as Stormwind, however much they embody the Blue and Gold, Tyrande welcoming them home would be a cool story line.

    Or as a custom race sold in the store like we talked about. With a phased starting zone beginning in Northrend and Dalaran with a custom 1-10 leveling experience ending up in Teldrassil or Stormwind that you pay money for as a mini expansion. What crazy things will I say next?

    I say give them a racial levitation mount mechanic like this for the caster units:

    Imagine once you hit level 60 and could fly! Fucking Storm!


    Or a mounted saddled and armored lynx from Quel'thalas similar to a smaller Night or Frostsaber. In my wacky world of Yig-or-eeally wonderful wonders. This is what I would do as CEO of Blizzard, shareholders and devs be damned, I would become dictator, the Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus of Blizzzrd CEOs, my hand in all things, even certain employees, which would get me fired for sexual embarrassment.

    I'm glad I escaped that parallel universe and leaped out of their before I messed things up more. And people think Quantum Leap was just a TV show. Mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
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