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  1. #1

    Auto-remove low dps from LFR

    I just had an idea..

    First of, I like LFR idea, the concept is good, I just don'l like the way it turned out.
    Second, Im not a dps im a healer and like most of you guys, I too hate it when I get in LFR and see people slacking and causing LFR to take longer or even wipe. You know, players queuing and then watching TV while their character is on autoattack...
    We all know that you can cheat with iLevel to get in LFR as soon as possible. Fine, but that usualy means bad performance and if alot of people of that kind get in the same group...you know the result.

    Thats why I think Blizzard should implement auto removal of low dps from LFR.
    The idea is that with the required Ilvl there is certian amount of dps. If you cheat on Ilvl, you can't achive those results.

    Example (I'm making numbers up):

    -min requirement for LFR is ilvl 500
    -Ilvl 500 should on average do 80k dps
    -if a player does less then 70k dps (either player is slacking or has bad gear) gets automaticly removed after the boss (with a message that dps was to low)

    Similar option could also be done for slacking healers but that would be more complicated.
    Hope this makes any sense and you'll see what I mean.

    So, whats your opinion?

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    What an awful idea. If anything I think it'd be better to have some kind of filter to check that you're in a correct specialization for the role you've signed up for. I am sick to fucking death of having a Prot warr/Prot pala/blood DK/bear/BrM in the dps role in every raid I go to. Sure 90% of the time they don't taunt so they're harmless but I really don't like being handicapped like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray82 View Post
    I just had an idea..

    First of, I like LFR idea, the concept is good, I just don'l like the way it turned out.
    Second, Im not a dps im a healer and like most of you guys, I too hate it when I get in LFR and see people slacking and causing LFR to take longer or even wipe. You know, players queuing and then watching TV while their character is on autoattack...
    We all know that you can cheat with iLevel to get in LFR as soon as possible. Fine, but that usualy means bad performance and if alot of people of that kind get in the same group...you know the result.

    Thats why I think Blizzard should implement auto removal of low dps from LFR.
    The idea is that with the required Ilvl there is certian amount of dps. If you cheat on Ilvl, you can't achive those results.

    Example (I'm making numbers up):

    -min requirement for LFR is ilvl 500
    -Ilvl 500 should on average do 80k dps
    -if a player does less then 70k dps (either player is slacking or has bad gear) gets automaticly removed after the boss (with a message that dps was to low)

    Similar option could also be done for slacking healers but that would be more complicated.
    Hope this makes any sense and you'll see what I mean.

    So, whats your opinion?
    We would be in LFR all day trying to fill seven dps spots and two or three healers sadly.

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    I think it's horrible. What if a certain player just doesn't know their class that well? Isn't fast on responding to procs and cooldowns. Just some casual player who likes to join in the raiding content without having too much worries and dedication. If that is all they can give, the 70k or lower at their item level, so be it! But if you realy notice someone just playing on auto-attack, surely. Kick them. But do it manually. If there is an automatic system that kicks people for not performing "well enough", you'll have a lot more people complaining and actualy leaving the game. Blizzard tries to pull in a more casual audiance, which won't work with such an idea.

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    Sure, auto remove healers as well, and tanks who get 20% > decrease in health with one blow (doesn't matter if the hit is supposed to do 30%), hell, just auto-kick everyone, hell, kick the whole server while you're at it ... seriously, it's easy enough as it is.

    Stop complaining!

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    "Oh, I need to move to that other guy, or he will die? Too bad, it'd hurt my dps, and I could get auto-kicked."
    *the other guy dies*
    "Oh, another one? *shrug* Got to take care of myself."
    *another guy dies*

    *the above repeats a few times*

    *raid fails to beat the enrage timer due to loss of too many damage dealers, and wipes*

    Read, no, we have enough tunnel visioning people as it is.
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    Awful idea, auto-remove would be better for all these elitist posers and whiney childrens who keep saying LFR are for retards or the only purpouse of brazilians and mexicans are to cut the grass of the americans. Would love that LFR auto kick those kind of players

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    bad idea, dps is highly dependant on movements and so on. you cant tell afkers by dps. if ever, you must log the activity!!! (like recount does) and if its way behind 25% you could mark that player. kicking should be made manually then.

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    Then everyone will die at Sha Prison
    Or what about Norishen or whatever his name, if u aren't lucky to get the buff, u will get kicked ?

    I think recount has something that track how long was person afk on his keyboard, track activity or something ? that is better idea

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    I agree, but for the LFRetards who get upset, wait a minute.

    Currently LFR is having a tank issue. Fights require 1-2 tanks of the 2 there. Both tanks have to be competent to clear the wing. Meanwhile, of the 17 dps only 5 need to be competent and of 6 healers 2-3. About 15 players in LFR can be completely incompetent and you can easily down the wing, but none of those can be tanks. When a tank messes up, the group critiques and criticizes them, and rightly so, for what they did. Sometimes blame is misplaced, but if a tank screws up there is nothing wrong with criticizing, as long as it doesn't en up blatant insults. However at the same time the dps who blow themselves up, pull less than Challenge Mode groups, and the healers who just spam overheads on themselves or are actually in dps spec (and not doing well in most cases) are left alone. It is considered;toxic,elitist,asshole,douche, etc. to mention somebodies dps or healing. Now there are cases where there is no need, like sayin "omg n00bs nobody but me over 200k dps l2P" when the majority of the group is in te 100s. However, when somebody is at 50k dps in 496+ gear, they really are not trying or just don't know what to do, the former shouldn't be tolerated and if you ignore it the latter will never change.

    Tanks get criticized constantly for their screw ups, and dps/heals rarely. Even if a group doesn't wipe, if the MT says the OT never taunted the OT is probably gonna get kicked. If the top dps point out the boomkin using just sunfire and moonfire, then he is called an elitist, probably get some angry whispers, told to get a life, go o normal, shut the F up, etc. When tanks get the raw end of the double standard they are upset and decide to not tank, an use loot specialization to get tank gear as dps.

    If you want any chance of LFR not dying, because it is, the LFR community needs to hold everybody accountable. Slacking is not okay. Not coming in with even a bit of prior knowledge (dungeon journal explains infero strike damage is split. Then you see people with it run off to te side and die), they should get kicked. Helping answer questions about certain mechanics is one thing, but you should at least know what the mechanics are. When the LFR community chooses to hold everybody responsible, all 25 people, then it won't be as bad and the queues won't be as long. Until you guys are willing to kick the dps who cannot open his spellbook, read the journal or burn a defensive CD, the one role where all members need to preform, tanking, will be rarely filled.

    Since the chance of LFR users actually making other LFR users try is lower than Deepholm, this would be a good solution. I personally use the benchmark of 70k with no stacks of determination, if a group is having issues. 70k would be timeless gear if they did no get optimal gear, but they should be reforming and hemming.

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    Short story, but is kind of relevant.
    Used to look after a small child years ago and he had a severe disability with his left hand. Couldn't hold a controller, couldn't really type with any speed as he could only use his right, and his arm was crooked so even trying to use the left would cause him intense pain. Anyways, he used to love computer games, and we always used to play Tekken with him (he would always pick Law) as he could spam one button, and still enjoy himself immensely.

    Now, where he to play WoW, he would have the same restrictions. He would love to see the story, would love to see the raids and environments, but obviously, he would struggle to move out of things, and even struggle to do even mediocre dps due to not having the reactions/physical capability to do so. Now, under your suggestion, he would pretty much be auto-kicked out of every LFR going because of some foolish draconian system.
    LFR was DESIGNED for players like him, low skilled/potential ability, to allow them to see content. There are 4 levels of difficulty, LFR is the absolute lowest and meant for people who simply for whatever reason cannot do the other difficulties.

    Now you want to take that away from them because you feel as if somehow because you can hit a few buttons in order that means you have more *right* to the game then they? Bit egotistical and selfish don't you think?


    Don't get me wrong, there are a LOT of people who abuse the system in LFR, but if you try to put something such as this in place, you end up hurting those who genuinely are trying, but simply for whatever reason, cannot do so.

  12. #12
    Can we just auto remove people like the OP from LFR?

  13. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by Ray82 View Post
    I just had an idea..

    First of, I like LFR idea, the concept is good, I just don'l like the way it turned out.
    Second, Im not a dps im a healer and like most of you guys, I too hate it when I get in LFR and see people slacking and causing LFR to take longer or even wipe. You know, players queuing and then watching TV while their character is on autoattack...
    We all know that you can cheat with iLevel to get in LFR as soon as possible. Fine, but that usualy means bad performance and if alot of people of that kind get in the same group...you know the result.

    Thats why I think Blizzard should implement auto removal of low dps from LFR.
    The idea is that with the required Ilvl there is certian amount of dps. If you cheat on Ilvl, you can't achive those results.

    Example (I'm making numbers up):

    -min requirement for LFR is ilvl 500
    -Ilvl 500 should on average do 80k dps
    -if a player does less then 70k dps (either player is slacking or has bad gear) gets automaticly removed after the boss (with a message that dps was to low)

    Similar option could also be done for slacking healers but that would be more complicated.
    Hope this makes any sense and you'll see what I mean.

    So, whats your opinion?
    I think the very fact that you have to make up those numbers, show that it is a bad idea.

    Nobody could, up untill now, tell me what iLvl comes with what damage for each spec/class.

    i understand not even sim is able to provide that number accurately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihal View Post
    Awful idea, auto-remove would be better for all these elitist posers and whiney childrens who keep saying LFR are for retards or the only purpouse of brazilians and mexicans are to cut the grass of the americans. Would love that LFR auto kick those kind of players
    At least they are doing their job. Ignore the instance chat, but they cannot ignore the fact that bad dps means the boss goes down slower, makes them work harder, and probably causes wipes. They do their job and preform their role. Start by kicking those who don't. Also saying kick the 60k dps is not elitist.

    Now can you please explain to me what LFR is for when Flex exists?

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    Complaining about bad DPS in LFR.........if we were any good we wouldn't be PUGing raids we would be in a raid guild!
    Me thinks Chromie has a whole lot of splaining to do!

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    Though this idea would never happen, people claiming a marginal amout like 70k dps isn't possible to hit due to "mechanics" are just bad players who have no interest in playing the game the way it was desiigned. People in SoO LFR gear properly gemmed and enchanted should be pulling between 150-200k dps. So someone pulling less than 70k dps is a window licker. No excuse is going to justify that low of a performance. Quit cheating the system to get ilvl, gem your gear and try. Average wait for LFR is around 40 minutes now for DPS. Take that window and read icy-veins, watch a you tube video and practice on a dummy.

    That's what's wrong with this game. No one feels part of the community anymore, they're super special individuals. So they're not held accountable for their toxic behavior or poor teamwork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synstir View Post
    I think the very fact that you have to make up those numbers, show that it is a bad idea.

    Nobody could, up untill now, tell me what iLvl comes with what damage for each spec/class.

    i understand not even sim is able to provide that number accurately.
    Granted I am a Mage, but my entire raid group was pulling 80-100k in 480-490 gear. It is extremely doable to do 80k at 500 ilevel as long as your weapon isn't a blue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gereorth666 View Post
    I think it's horrible. What if a certain player just doesn't know their class that well? Isn't fast on responding to procs and cooldowns. Just some casual player who likes to join in the raiding content without having too much worries and dedication. If that is all they can give, the 70k or lower at their item level, so be it! But if you realy notice someone just playing on auto-attack, surely. Kick them. But do it manually. If there is an automatic system that kicks people for not performing "well enough", you'll have a lot more people complaining and actualy leaving the game. Blizzard tries to pull in a more casual audiance, which won't work with such an idea.
    Not knowing your class has nothing to do with being casual, just bad. For Siege required ilvl, you should be hitting 70k. That is a generous number. Both in game and out of game there are resources to help, if you cannot open your spellbook to see your rotation then the group shouldn't be responsible for picking up the slack.

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    LFR is fine.

    Don't like it? - Make your own raid and do flex/normal/heroic.

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    What a great idea. I mean seriously ingenious. The system Blizz put in to purposely carry the worst of the worst through content should remove the worst of the worst from said content. That should keep the subs coming.

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