This is what your taxes are paying for!

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If you pay it, I'll take care of the problem, Charles Bronson style.

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Because the police started persecuting people long before people started smashing shit.

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Are you fucking serious? People protesting against unfair treatment, and these people being the ones getting a higher education too, are chavs to you?
"You keep using that word. I dont think it means what you think it means."

Firstly, please don't lecture me about fair treatment, they are home students and pay a fraction of what internationals pay, do you see international students protesting? NO

Secondly, I am presently studying too and I don't feel the need to protest by roughing up Police Officers, Intimidating two officers by surrounding them with 300 protesters, defacing the walls of Grade II listed buildings and causing criminal damage to historic buildings such as the senate.

The University had applied for and secured an "injunction" AKA: restraining order against the students to protest or enter near the university grounds. The students defiance of this ban caused a breach of civic peace namely trespass (which the university can peruse in small claims court) and criminal damage/breach of the peace and causing a public nuisance, which is a punishable criminal act:
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1971/48/contents
http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/di...1080001064.pdf
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/s...blic_nuisance/

In addition to this, they caused a serious anti terrorism alert by approaching 10 downing street in huge numbers triggering a full on response from the Anti Terrorist police stationed there, if that is not "Criminal" behavior, then what is?

You keep using that word. I dont think it means what you think it means."

Please don't take that condescending tone with me, I know perfectly well that it means and where it originated from. Cheltenham Average anyone?

But just so we are clear, here is why it applies to the people in this video:

CHAV
noun
British informal, derogatory
a young lower-class person typified by brash and loutish behavior and the wearing of (real or imitation) designer clothes.

Loutish
adjective
(of a man or boy) uncouth and aggressive; thuggish: youths responsible for awful, loutish behavior

Brash
adjective
self-assertive in a rude, noisy, or overbearing way: he was brash, cocky, and arrogant

^ hopefully now you will see why they were labelled as CHAV's, or would you prefer I used Rogues, Knavish, Rascals, Mandem(mandemulus) or Kev?

[Stir]

The only way to give a power any incentive to act on your behalf is to take power for yourself that can pose a threat to the power you're trying to give an inventive to.

Peaceful protests are stupid.

And before anybody says 'Ghandi' or 'Martin Luther King jr.': Those were not strictly speaking 'peaceful protests.' Ghandi's protests caused major damage to the economy, and as a result, major harm especially to the lower classes, to get his point across. Martin Luther King's movement couldn't have been successful without the very violent behaviour of the Black Panther movement.

Peaceful protests don't work, because you lose nothing if you ignore them. Nothing bad will happen if you ignore a peaceful protest.

I wish people would understand these things before judging.

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An OP "partial to the Guardian" yelling about fences, while law enforcement tries to do it's best to shut down student voice. I almost fell for that.

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An OP "partial to the Guardian" yelling about fences, while law enforcement tries to do it's best to shut down student voice. I almost fell for that.

You are implying I'm an elitist, you would be wrong.

[Theodon]

Or with the lower classes in general, especially if they were orange...

http://premierguidemedia.com/wp-cont...HERYL-COLE.jpg

Cheryl Tweedy is what is considered a chav now? The term seems to be fast becoming something we use to describe people with certain accents, as if anyone with that accent is a chav.

[MerinPally]

They aren't chavs, they're students.

We students are fueled by alcohol, energy drink, lack of sleep and plenty of poor decisions. We're made of rubber, you get hit you just get back up and continue anyway. I think saying getting hit by a policeman is a bad act is rather weak considering what you do in/outside of clubs like all the time. A little more heavyhandedness by the police may not be a bad thing. Breaking down the senate gate was stupid as fuck but there's no evidence to say those people were definitely students. When we had the student protests a couple of years ago, a good chunk of people there weren't students and almost all the fights and violence and fires were begun by non-students, people who just rocked up for a fight.

And come on, it's only a small fire in that bin. We have bigger in our kitchen.

[Theodon]

They aren't chavs, they're students.

We students are fueled by alcohol, energy drink, lack of sleep and plenty of poor decisions. We're made of rubber, you get hit you just get back up and continue anyway. I think saying getting hit by a policeman is a bad act is rather weak considering what you do in/outside of clubs like all the time. A little more heavyhandedness by the police may not be a bad thing. Breaking down the senate gate was stupid as fuck but there's no evidence to say those people were definitely students. When we had the student protests a couple of years ago, a good chunk of people there weren't students and almost all the fights and violence and fires were begun by non-students, people who just rocked up for a fight.

And come on, it's only a small fire in that bin. We have bigger in our kitchen.

It's the mob mentality; which doesn't care about your upbringing, your social status, your wealth or your intentions prior to becoming a mob. Once you become a mob, you wreck shit. If something is in the way, it gets wrecked. It doesn't matter of it's made of golden ponies pooping Mcdonald's cheeseburgers; if it's in the way it gets smashed.

[MerinPally]

It's the mob mentality; which doesn't care about your upbringing, your social status, your wealth or your intentions prior to becoming a mob. Once you become a mob, you wreck shit. If something is in the way, it gets wrecked. It doesn't matter of it's made of golden ponies pooping Mcdonald's cheeseburgers; if it's in the way it gets smashed.

True but it's not always fair to blame the lot. The student protests last year were peaceful when it was just students, it was when arseholes showed up that a problem began. It's quite hard in a mob to turn around and say "stop protesting with us" and the protests then turned into a riot. On a large scale public event you can't police who tags along. If the people doing all this shit the other day were students then they deserve all the bad press they get but until it's proven it's totally unfair to brush over all students as the culprits.

[Lupinemancer]

That's nothing, it only happend in England, it's no big deal.

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England, no surprise.

[Theodon]

That's nothing, it only happend in England, it's no big deal.

It's a big deal to the people living here.

[MerinPally]

That's nothing, it only happend in England, it's no big deal.

Syria massacre is only happening in Syria, its no big deal.

Just because it's only occurring in 1 locale doesn't mean it isn't a big deal. What was running through you rmind, if anything, when you wrote this?

[Wildtree]

Thread titles....... sometimes..... /shaking head

I still have no clue what the thread title aims at?

At the students who destroyed some property?
At the public property who costs basically tax money to fix it?
At the police, who costs tax money to have around altogether?
At the system that costs tax money to uphold freedom of expression through demonstrations?

What is it?

[Jackmoves]

It's the mob mentality; which doesn't care about your upbringing, your social status, your wealth or your intentions prior to becoming a mob. Once you become a mob, you wreck shit. If something is in the way, it gets wrecked. It doesn't matter of it's made of golden ponies pooping Mcdonald's cheeseburgers; if it's in the way it gets smashed.

Idd, a small determined core group is all it takes then you got the potential for some good old fashioned rioting. There was an experiment done at Leeds University on herd/mob mentality...

The published results showed that it only takes 5% of what the scientists called "informed individuals" to influence the direction of a crowd of around 200 people. The remaining 95% follow without even realizing it.

Humans are sheep. lol

You can throw in the bystander effect in there as well... as when they act as a GROUP their personal responsibility deminish.

[Kalis]

Cheryl Tweedy is what is considered a chav now? The term seems to be fast becoming something we use to describe people with certain accents, as if anyone with that accent is a chav.

She has a Geordie accent, traditionally the chav accent is a London one.

Chav has morphed from young thief, into a label that is applied to anyone that lacks class.

...I know perfectly well that it means and where it originated from. Cheltenham Average anyone?

Chatham (a town in North Kent), not Cheltenham.

[Senathor]

ho mi gerd ho cerz rly cmon

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Chatham (a town in North Kent), not Cheltenham.

I stand corrected good sir, *tips hat*

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Thread titles....... sometimes..... /shaking head

I still have no clue what the thread title aims at?
What is it?

http://www.scriptonitedaily.com/2013/06/18/uk-taxpayers-will-face-a-2nd-bank-bailout-if-planned-student-loans-privatisation-goes-ahead/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-18101729

Now add to this the fact that they also caused damage to private and council property and that is going to come out of the public coffers too. So what is there not to get about the title?

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The fuck.

The links you posted are essentially slamming the Coalition for thier stupid policys towards higher education.

Then you add some bullshit at the end trying to demonise students for the acts of a few (and lets face it breaking a fucking gate is hardly comparable to the tactics used against student protesters aka sending in to cops to arrest orgainsers and physically deter peaceful protest. Along side the Coalition's terrible policys that are effecting students and staff trying to turn uni into a buisness.)

You seem confused.

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The fuck.

The links you posted are essentially slamming the Coalition for thier stupid policys towards higher education.

Then you add some bullshit at the end trying to demonise students for the acts of a few (and lets face it breaking a fucking gate is hardly comparable to the tactics used against student protesters aka sending in to cops to arrest orgainsers and physically deter peaceful protest. Along side the Coalition's terrible policys that are effecting students and staff trying to turn uni into a buisness.)

You seem confused.

I am not confused, but you do like saying " the duck" a lot. The point i am trying to get across if you read is the student loans are funded by UK taxpayers, that is You and Me. Many students don't complete 3 years or more of their degree program. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...in-a-year.html

Now those dropouts were funded by the UK taxpayer. Most of them may not earn the "minimum threshold" for repayment and hence got a "free" ride to university. Which is fine, I am all for keeping education accessible and affordable, but... These students were complaining about fee's which many of them will not have to pay since the Student Finance England loans will be wiped clean end 2015 review.

They should look at International students coming to the UK from far away countries that have to pay 3 times the amount from their "OWN" pocket and do they complain? Do the heck!

And to be fair, I am not against protesting, but I am against bully boy tactics. The Borough council has already issued a statement on TV saying had the student union asked for a sanctioned protest they would have been given police escort and allowed trouble free march.

uni into a buisness.

Why not, why should a University not charge for quality education? Please explain.