MoP is one giant satire comedy with a poor theme and dry humor all around

[Kraenen]

WoW lost its seriousness when TBC hit and we got vodka drinking space goats

[ludibin]

WoW has lost its tone of seriousness and with it, its immersion too.


Cataclysm could have been great if DS wasnt a horrible raid and more focus was placed on the end-game rather than the 1-60 content BUT I cannot complain about that because I think what they did with the 1-60 content was fantastic and needed.

Im really hoping WoD allows for a more serious tone and a stronger theme that will immerse us. They have 10 levels to do it. Hopefully they will, because I just can't take this expansion serious at all.

After running SoO a billion times and hearing the same poorly written corny lines from Sylvanas to Lor'Themar or the Paragons or pretty much every other boss, I want to rip my eyes and ears out.

The whole theme behind the pandaren could have been done a lot better. Its killing me. I apologize if my opinion differs from yours to the point where you feel the need to angrily disagree with me and bash me.




EDIT: I appreciate what they are doing with the lore with the Garrosh build-up, but I really really really am agitated by the delivery of it (if that makes sense)

I am Ludibin and I approve this message..

[checking facts]

MoP is all about racism, murder, loss of control, hatred, bigotry, gory executions and politics, with fat dancing panda men showing up between one ugly thing and the other in order to keep the game rated T.

[RH92]

WoW lost its seriousness when TBC hit and we got vodka drinking space goats

Personally I think Draenei are one of the most interesting things they came up with. I like the idea of "holy demons", never seen it before. However I have to agree that the implementation was... rather bad.

If you think WoW has only become a satire with Mists then you really weren't paying much attention in the previous expansions.

I think it is more about "quality" than quantity. There might be less pop culture crap in numbers, but it certainly isn't lacking in "quality".

Example: Harrison Jones escorting you to safety was fun, doing whole Harrison Jones quest line in Uldum wasn't.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I doubt that. Every x-pac has had some loathing, even TBC.

Ok, I'll agree to that part, you win this time.


NEXT TIME I WON'T BE SO NICE MWAHAHHAHAHAHA

[Gheld]

WoW didn't really become "Dark" per say until WoTLK. That's also when WoW became very popular.

They tried a few things in Cata that didn't work. But they obviously thought it was the dark story that didn't work.

And just because there's "dark themes" behind MoP doesn't mean it's overall dark. There's a few "dark" scenes going on in MoP, but the rest is more melancholy than anything.

There was so much more going on in Pandaria than martial arts adept anthropomorphic pandas, but they factored into the plot every step of the way. No matter what you intended to do, it would in some way or another involve martial arts adept anthropomorphic pandas. And you can call people shallow all you want for "not liking pandas" but pandas aren't badass. They could have been badass, but Blizzard failed horribly at making them badass. Instead they were martial arts movie cliches. An entire continent full of Mr. and Mrs. Miyagi.

They also completely failed at framing Chinese mythology. Cuddly Shaolin and terracotta roofs. Boom. China. Can we have some money now? Game play wise MoP offered a fair bit, but story wise it had very little depth. And to those who go around reciting "Gameplay before story, lol" why the fuck can't you have both? I've been playing video games since the 1980s, and I have played a ton of games that offered both gameplay and storyline. It's just a sad copout by the developers for piss poor story writing.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

WoW didn't really become "Dark" per say until WoTLK. That's also when WoW became very popular.

They tried a few things in Cata that didn't work. But they obviously thought it was the dark story that didn't work.

And just because there's "dark themes" behind MoP doesn't mean it's overall dark. There's a few "dark" scenes going on in MoP, but the rest is more melancholy than anything.

There was so much more going on in Pandaria than martial arts adept anthropomorphic pandas, but they factored into the plot every step of the way. No matter what you intended to do, it would in some way or another involve martial arts adept anthropomorphic pandas. And you can call people shallow all you want for "not liking pandas" but pandas aren't badass. They could have been badass, but Blizzard failed horribly at making them badass. Instead they were martial arts movie cliches. An entire continent full of Mr. and Mrs. Miyagi.

They also completely failed at framing Chinese mythology. Cuddly Shaolin and terracotta roofs. Boom. China. Can we have some money now? Game play wise MoP offered a fair bit, but story wise it had very little depth. And to those who go around reciting "Gameplay before story, lol" why the fuck can't you have both? I've been playing video games since the 1980s, and I have played a ton of games that offered both gameplay and storyline. It's just a sad copout by the developers for piss poor story writing.

GC is the one that usually says the gameplay comes first. Heck even the creative devs have mentioned sometimes the lore sometimes gets trounced on for the sake of gameplay.

[RH92]

They would be if that's what they were. But the retcon making them a normally peaceful race that were corrupted into demons (Making them not demons; Only those who accepted the corruption are) is a different story, and less interesting.

I don't have that much issue with it personally, but I can see your point

According to numbers who were "corrupted" I think Eredar were never really a good race, so I think it is fine. The Eredar case is very similar to Gul'dan for example, he worked with Burning Legion but he was definitely conscious while doing evil things unlike his brethren. I assume they joined Legion arbitrarily (Right word?) which means they were never really nice people. I see Draenei as exception, special few.

Does it make a sense?

[Tychus]

Then what was actually the point of your post?

Then what was the point of yours?

We'd see drunk Ogres doing funny shit.

"HA! I CRUSHED AN APPLE, FRUIT VENDOR! THIS WILL NOT BE THE LAST!!" (Not an orc, but it's a technicality. :P)

[Aeluron Lightsong]

I don't think it's crazy to think the Eredar race was just a very magical intuned race and or different. Also, the problem is we know so little about them. Really the Draenei need a meat bone so we can understand them more.

[Raiju]

There was so much more going on in Pandaria than martial arts adept anthropomorphic pandas, but they factored into the plot every step of the way. No matter what you intended to do, it would in some way or another involve martial arts adept anthropomorphic pandas

They also completely failed at framing Chinese mythology. Cuddly Shaolin and terracotta roofs. Boom. China.

Both of these are true and ignored by most MoP-diehard supporters. Lorewalker cho showing up on about half the boss fights and adding NOTHING but a comical panda appearance.

[Gheld]

GC is the one that usually says the gameplay comes first. Heck even the creative devs have mentioned sometimes the lore sometimes gets trounced on for the sake of gameplay.

How does one "trounce" lore for the sake of gameplay?

That's just the most absurd thing I have ever read. Gameplay and lore are handled by two entirely different teams.
"We wanted to add Garrisons to the game, and in order to do that, Garrosh had to escape. Because they both start with the same 4 letters."

[Aeluron Lightsong]

How does one "trounce" lore for the sake of gameplay?

That's just the most absurd thing I have ever read. Gameplay and lore are handled by two entirely different teams.
"We wanted to add Garrisons to the game, and in order to do that, Garrosh had to escape. Because they both start with the same 4 letters."

You're cherrypicking Garrisons to try and attack my argument. Won't work. I'm saying some things that we respect in lore will be trounced by gameplay. I'll give an example.

Dalaran staying in Northrend land and nowhere else to be found despite the fact it technically was going to attack Orgrimmar. So really gameplay took over and lore had to take a backseat for a bit. Yes there are different teams but they have to work in the same line(Cooperative). Another example, we all know the Holy Light hates demons and undead.

Undead players aren't always critted. Lore has to take a backseat for gameplay. It sucks but really this would be abused like hell in PVP for obvious reasons(QQ). That and being in Cata Azeroth and entering Outland before Cata Azeroth happened(WORLD CONSISTENCY). It's not a good thing but that is the reality of it. Is it beyond criticism? No I don't think so. What with people being able to see Pre Theramore Bombing with that one NPC. I'd like to think it's possible to keep the world consistent.


But I am getting off topic. This isn't a gameplay>Lore thread. It's mostly about the criticism of MoP being one giant satire comedy with a poor theme and dry humor.

[Sabi]

nothing is more mature and serious than digging through poop...numerous times till it became a running joke in different expansions.

[Drilnos]

Both of these are true and ignored by most MoP-diehard supporters. Lorewalker cho showing up on about half the boss fights and adding NOTHING but a comical panda appearance.

Cho was present in MSV and the first four fights in SoO in a Mr. Exposition capacity because people complained endlessly about how the bosses in Dragon Soul were unknowns with no backstory. Not in a "look at the funny panda" capacity.

And that's hardly half the boss fights.

[Tychus]

Cho was present in MSV and the first four fights in SoO in a Mr. Exposition capacity because people complained endlessly about how the bosses in Dragon Soul were unknowns with no backstory. Not in a "look at the funny panda" capacity.

And that's hardly half the boss fights.

I also think it's funny how cow people, ox people, seal people, cat people, dog people, bird people and bear people are just fine, but pandas... that's going too far!

[freighttrain]

WoW has never taken itself seriously. All the way back to WC3. Do you think the game would look so cartoony and ridiculous if it ever had?

It goes back to at least WC2. Not sure if WC1 had all the silly and joking emotes from units when you clicked on them. This is the Warcraft universe. It has always poked fun at its self and used pulp culture references through direct and indirect avenues. Nothing has changed. I would argue this expansion has had the darkest overtones of all the expansions and vanilla.

[The Madgod]

And look at the way "cows" were portrayed and look at how pandarens were. Blizzard made cows, elves and maybe gnomes fit into the game and besides all of that, they didn't make a whole expansion about cows or gnomes or elves specifically.

Few occasional pop culture refs vs AN ENTIRE FUCKING KUNGFU PANDA EXPANSION WITH BEER DRIPPING ALL OVER

Not even comparable...

If you got that the pandaren were the central theme of Mists of Pandaria, you didn't pay attention.

[Frozen Death Knight]

So you're going to tell me everything up until MoP was filled with as many corny jokes, immature scenery, and poorly written dialogue?

Are you for real? WoW has since day one had some badly written stuff in it and has had corny stuff since WarCraft 1. Don't know what franchise you have been playing, but it sure isn't WarCraft.

[Sansnom]

I liked the quest line in Azshara where we kept trying to make the stone giant poop.

Yeah. And I was hoping there was some title or achievement for doing all of them. Like "Smell Funny"