Swedish mainstream newspaper just crossed the line.

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More specifically OT; I think people should stand for what they say. I don't think an opinions validity should be based on WHO says what, but if you can't stand behind what you say, especially when it's threats, criticism about other people, or the work of other people, you should just be quiet.

You can get fired from your job if you think Sweden should reduce immigration and say you're voting for SD to accomplish that. So, yeah, no.

[Bolson13]

Why are lefties acting like righties?

History has proven that both extremes are just as bad. Problem with extremes is that these people cannot accept another view thus opposition needs to be shut down.

[Twoflower]

When i watched what the man responsible for this had to say, he said something along the lines of
"We at Expressen think people with certain beliefs shouldn't be anonymous and do not have the right to speak their mind"

I agree fully with the first part. Nazis should not be allowed to make their propaganda anonimous.

Of course they have the rigth to speak their mind, yes, we all do. But since I dont agree with their ideology at all I want them arrested. In switzerland ( where I live ) and in germany it's actually a crime to spread Nazi propaganda, and I hope that the authorities check the entire list and go arrest all those idiots that are in the countries which have laws against spreading this nonsense.

[Jackmoves]

You can get fired from your job if you think Sweden should reduce immigration and say you're voting for SD to accomplish that. So, yeah, no.

It's not legal to fire someone based on what they vote on. Unless there is some loophole that goes something like "employee does not share the values of the company", but as far as I know, thats not the case.

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It's not legal to fire someone based on what they vote on. Unless there is some loophole that goes something like "employee does not share the values of the company", but as far as I know, thats not the case.

http://www.sydsvenskan.se/sverige/sp...-sina-asikter/

[Kapaya]

Wrong? Probably. Deserved? I think so, don't act like tough shit when you think you're anonymous. Am I gonna loose sleep over this? Hell no, gonna sleep even better.

Avpixlat is a site made by racists for racists. I wont argue that SD are wrong, cause they're not, things are getting a bit out of hand with whoever they let in, but many of the followers are the scum of the earth, which sadly puts the party in a bad light.

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Is that true or is this being ironic?

It's true, it's happened and will happen again.

[Jackmoves]

http://www.sydsvenskan.se/sverige/sp...-sina-asikter/

It's still not legal.

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It's still not legal.

No, it might not be legal but it still happens.

[Baracuda]

I agree fully with the first part. Nazis should not be allowed to make their propaganda anonimous.

Of course they have the rigth to speak their mind, yes, we all do. But since I dont agree with their ideology at all I want them arrested. In switzerland ( where I live ) and in germany it's actually a crime to spread Nazi propaganda, and I hope that the authorities check the entire list and go arrest all those idiots that are in the countries which have laws against spreading this nonsense.

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Last part is you. And they haven't commited any crime they've just said "inappropiate" stuff. Like national TV coming to your house because of something rude you've written on the internet, on wow on mmo-champ or anywhere. Don't deny you haven't done it.

[Jackmoves]

No, it might not be legal but it still happens.

Yeah, I'm sure it does, I think it's far more common that people avoid hiring someone who vote SD though, much easier way to avoid getting undesirable people into your company since there is pretty much no way to prove that was the reason they didn't hire you.

[Deleted]

Yeah, I'm sure it does, I think it's far more common that people avoid hiring someone who vote SD though.

Voting for SD does in no way affect someones ability to carry out a job though.

[Jackmoves]

Voting for SD does in no way affect someones ability to carry out a job though.

I didn't say that ;P

What I mean is... it's just another way to sort out the "undesirable" applications from those they consider better suited... and undesirable and better suited can mean whatever, it depends on the one hiring.

[Stir]

Why are lefties acting like righties?

Because lefties acting like lefties cannot persuade anyone.

Seriously, if you're in it for populism, votes and support, you should definitely look to the righties for tips and hints. Lefties are generally far too passive. Can't have extreme opinions, have to respect everyone, here's a scientific paper on why that will eventually bear fruit if we just keep at it...

Right wingers know that to win the game, you have to play it tough. They know that the general populace has no patience for all this left-wing naivety. They know people are afraid, people are angry, and people are uncomfortable, and most of all: People do not care for logical arguments if those arguments do not also satisfy their emotional states.

[Noomz]

A Few days ago, the Swedish newspaper "Expressen" and the responsible journalist "Thomas Mattson" managed to get personal information from a comment system called Disqus. This system was used on the site www.avpixlat.info, along with others who are associated with the right wing nationalist party, the Swedish Democrats.

They revealed the identities of 6000 anonymous commenters, and posted their names along with pictures on their site.

"The information in Expressen today is the result of a long period of harassment, which includes David Baas and Robert Aschberg sought out individuals in their homes, workplaces and even harassed their children in schools. It resembles no longer persecuted - it's persecution." -Avpixlat (Direct Quote from google translate so my apologies for the bad grammar)


http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/expr...t-pa-avpixlat/
http://avpixlat.info/2013/12/10/anga...ns-avslojande/
http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/expr...ndare-knackta/
http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article17993405.ab

Couldn't find an english site for this, sorry!


This is despicable behaviour and extremely unproffesional. Revealing the identities along with their political beliefs on people on an ANONYMOUS site is not only dangerous for the people involved, its also illegal. When i watched what the man responsible for this had to say, he said something along the lines of
"We at Expressen think people with certain beliefs shouldn't be anonymous and do not have the right to speak their mind"

I want to know what you guys think about this, because i think this is really scary to say the least, apparently we dont have freedom of speech in Sweden anymore.

(Sorry if i missed anything or my English is terrible, im extremely hungover and will edit stuff when i feel better :P)

Expressen is a bunch of crap. It's the swedish The Sun. It's absolute trash.

Same goes for the Swedish Democrat party, who are just a bunch of thinly vailed racists and worse. A LOT of them have been caught with expressing very racist or even nazi ideals on forums and other media that they thought they were anonymous on.

[Jackmoves]

The local branch of SD here in Gothenburg was posetive to this btw, at least publicly. "less weight to carry" ... they didn't have any members being "outed" so thats probably one reason.... lol

http://www.gp.se/nyheter/goteborg/1....-i-ryggsacken-

Expressen's revelation about haters on the internet has led to several defections in the party. But in Gothenburg they welcome the news.

- A big thanks to Expressen. Now we lose weight in the backpack, said Jimmy Stahl (SD), district secretary of Gothenburg.

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I always weigh the good and the bad when judging the value of something.
I don't see anywhere near as much good in internet anonymity, as I see bad in it.

People are spouting shit with no filter. Shit they won't stand by in real life, as seen in OP's story.





That said, no rule without an exception. Persecuted minorities in states that suppress basic human rights, like atheists in muslim countries or system-critics in China, definitely benefit from the anonymity and obviously have my support and understanding. I'm only referring to the idiots in OP's story. People generalizing a large group of people and spouting hate speech.

Mostly I dislike idiots like that, and are fine seeing them outed.

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It's not illegal. There is nothing in our laws about a right to anonymity except in certain cases, and commenting on a blog (whether it's harmless or as in this case, racist dravel bordering on threats of terrorism) does not fall within that jurisdiction. I'd also like a link to wherever the responsible party said something along the lines of your purported quote, because I am pretty much 100% certain no one said that. Last but not least, we do have freedom of speech. There is a difference between receiving legal consequence for saying something and being criticized for saying it. The very fact that you can freely criticize Expressen's actions in this case proves beyond a doubt that we have freedom of speech in Sweden.

Just thought I'd get your factual errors out of the way before getting on to my opinion.

What they did the first day after this came out - that is, confront elected politicians in a seat of power for the stuff they said on that site - is perfectly fine. We should always keep an eye on and be critical of the people who rule us; a democracy that doesn't care if their representatives say things like "we should arm all ethnic swedes for the racial war" (paraphrase of actual quote) is not a functional democracy at all. And yes, I know that as an SD follower it's easy to pull the "but we get called out so much MORE, they're obviously persecuting us" card - It's simply the case that your party has so many representatives who have those horrid views. Other parties get called out on their shit as well, they just have less shit to be called out on.

However.
The second day onward, they started headhunting random people who are not politicially active. While this is not illegal as you claimed, it's terribly distasteful and more or less an abuse of power on Expressen's part. While these people also share the same disgusting views as the above mentioned, they are not active politicians. They are random citizens, and it's not the job of the press to paint a target that says "this guy thinks shitty things" on their faces. If they overstepped their bounds and actually committed a crime, that's up to the judicial system. So yes, Expressen did something pretty terrible at this point and they really should have just stopped at elected politicians. It was a breach of professionalism and journalistic ethics and it should never have happened.

Newspapers aren't allowed to use private photos to sell copies in Sweden. Not even pictures they took themselves of people without these people's consent (there was a case years ago with an elderly couple walking in a park who ended up in the background of a newspaper front page in some sort of autumn report. The newspaper eventually had to pay damages because the couple was identifiable). The source of this would be my Law school teacher, so yeah.

Names and adresses - fine. Photos - no (unless they contacted all these 6,000 people and got their approval to being published, which I seriously doubt). Morally however, this is completely shit. It's also why Expressen is an absolute crap source of news.

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I'm not surprised by this, there is a totalitarian impulse on the left, always has been.

[Deleted]

The biggest problem of the internet has always been the ability to state an opinion without the ramifications of your statement being tied to you.

Having a broad audience without accountability is a problem. I don't necessarily agree with hacking into a system to name and shame people, however I do appreciate the fact that free speech is a hard thing to champion when the world has moved into a place where you can have free speech, but have none of the accountability of being identified for that belief.

It's choppy waters. I don't have an answer. These shit stains of humanity deserve the right to their hateful rhetoric, but to spout it widely and anonymously? It undercuts the biological restraints evolution placed on us for these situations.